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[BlackAngel]

Jason's dilemma
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 There's a scene near the end of Paradise Lost when Jason and his lawyers are sitting in a room in the courthouse waiting for the verdict.

Paul Ford asks Jason if he sees how Damien's testifying on his own behalf hurt him. Ford says, "I think it did." ("Many observers in the courtroom considered his lawyers' decision to let him take the stand to be an extremely risky one,” writes Mara Leveritt. “And now, as Damien stepped down from the stand, most agreed that he had not helped his case--and that he may have seriously harmed it. But Damien did not seem to realize that." Damien didn't realize it because of that "lack of insight" so many psychiatrists have noted about him.)

Ford then says to Jason, "Do you think this will change you at all, how you choose your friends?"

"Yeah," nods Jason.

"What do you think this would do -- what do you think this will do to your friendship with Damien?"

"Stop it, I guess," says Jason.

Ford says, "Would you stop being his friend?"

Jason says, "I wouldn't be his enemy but after this we probably wouldn't be around or nothing."

Ford removes his glasses, leans forward, looks directly at Jason and says, "You heard what was said about him. You think he could of done it?"

Jason says, "About what they said?"

Ford says, "Do you think Damien could've killed those little boys?"

Jason looks down for a good 10 seconds before breaking his silence. "They make it seem like he did."

We then hear Jason's other attorney, Robin Wadley, say, "What do you think?"

Jason says, "I don't know."

Ford says, "If you were on the jury would you have a hard time letting him go based on what you heard?"

"Yeah," says Jason.

"I would too," says Ford.

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According to Damien and many other accounts, not only were Jason and Damien best friends, they were like brothers. They were as tight as peas in a pod. It's not conceivable to me -- I mean it's literally inconceivable to me -- that Jason could not know whether or not Damien killed the children.

Regardless of whether Jason is (factually) innocent or guilty, he cannot not know whether or not Damien killed the children.

- If Jason's innocent and Damien's guilty, Jason knows that Damien's guilty.

- If both are innocent, Jason knows that Damien's innocent.

- If both are guilty, Jason knows that Damien's guilty.

- If Jason's guilty and Damien's innocent, Jason knows this.

The only possible way he can say "I don't know" in response to Ford's and Wadley's point blank questions is if he knows Damien's guilty and is saying "I don't know" as a strategic attempt to escape the dilemma his lawyers' questions put him in.

[cnad]

Wadley asks Jason "what do you think?"  You've never answered the question "what do you think"? with an "I dont know" Jan?

[Farm]

Ford says, "If you were on the jury would you have a hard time letting him go based on what you heard?"

"Yeah," says Jason.

"I would too," says Ford.

Facinating, isn't it?

Supporters insist there was no evidence,  yet even the Defense were convinced Damien was quilty.

I wonder if it has anything to do with actually hearing the testimony?

[IRISH OS1R1S]

Ford says, "If you were on the jury would you have a hard time letting him go based on what you heard?"

"Yeah," says Jason.

"I would too," says Ford.

Facinating, isn't it?

Supporters insist there was no evidence,  yet even the Defense were convinced Damien was quilty.

I wonder if it has anything to do with actually hearing the testimony?

I remember this from the PL film.

Its a great point and one I felt needed to be bumped up the pages, for newcomers.
Short and sweet, but makes anyone ranting about lack of evidence at the trials look kinda silly.

[CarolinaMom]

Supporter response: "They had incompetent defense." 

[IRISH OS1R1S]

On the subject of Jason, I love this little idea he has for a costume.
Not at all sick, just typical sweet, sensitive, innocent poor old Jason. 

 I would come to the party dressed as a doctor
who does abortions, cause that is the most hideous real-life thing
I have ever heard of. I would be dressed in green with a white
overalls like thing. I would have scalpels, tweezers, those little grip
like surgical pliers, needles filled with saline, blood dripping from my rubber
gloves, and a halfway formed dying baby on a stretcher next to
me, just lying there screaming, because it is dying and noone is there
that cares enough to save its little life. That is what I think
is the scariest costume in the world.

Awe look, such a cute pic aswell, he's such a little angel.
Supporters would have you believe he shit halos out of his ass before the trials.

[notgullible]

On the subject of Jason, I love this little idea he has for a costume.
Not at all sick, just typical sweet, sensitive, innocent poor old Jason. 

 I would come to the party dressed as a doctor
who does abortions, cause that is the most hideous real-life thing
I have ever heard of. I would be dressed in green with a white
overalls like thing. I would have scalpels, tweezers, those little grip
like surgical pliers, needles filled with saline, blood dripping from my rubber
gloves, and a halfway formed dying baby on a stretcher next to
me, just lying there screaming, because it is dying and nooneis there
that cares enough to save its little life. That is what I think
is the scariest costume in the world.

Awe look, such a cute pic aswell, he's such a little angel.
Supporters would have you believe he shit halos out of his ass before the trials.

Yes, I've written this before, but of the three Jason Baldwin is the most malignant, if hierarchy can be applied to such a group of monsters. Damien Echols appeals to the sick celebrity-worship fringe, so he is the Charlie Manson of the group, but when it comes time to be a truly evil motherfucker Baldwin plays the role of Tex and carries out the horror with glee. I cannot emphasize how glad we should be these fuckers likely never will see life outside of prison bars and how this, Exhibit 500, and everything we else know about these depraved bastards should be an inspiration to keep them there.

[AJFA]

Jesus Christ...I had seen that before, but not as a non.

He is a sadistic, twisted fuck.

[IRISH OS1R1S]

Jesus Christ...I had seen that before, but not as a non.

He is a sadistic, twisted fuck.

I decided to type it out, because trying to read his handwriting is, lets be honest, painful.
Now its even easier to see how Jason is full of sugar and spice n all things nice. 

[flexj]

I have always said, Jason is the one that worries me the most.

[notgullible]

I have always said, Jason is the one that worries me the most.

Yeah, his musical choices are the least of my concerns about that sick bastard.

[flexj]

Kerrie and I watched that Aphrodite Junk and we both agreed, he looks more creepy than he did when he was arrested.

[AJFA]

Baldwin indeed looks like a creepy pedophile now.

How can anyone ignore shit like that letter?

I was a long haired, all black wearing, Metallica and Slayer fanatic. I would never, in a million years, have come up with shit like that.

[~Steph]

Sounds like an attempt to come up with something as sick and twisted as his friend, Damien, would come up with. It's kinda sad to think that this "kid" (at the time) may have felt alienated and neglected to the point of pushing himself to such extremes to be accepted by his friend. It just so happened that his friend was extremely mentally ill and led him to his demise.

The malignancy, in my opinion, comes with the belief that his own mental illness was more of a dependent personality issue; rather than a psychotic disconnect with reality (such as Damien). He chose to follow, and had a clearer vision of his actions and the consequences of his actions. His extreme lack of self-worth geared him toward outrageous, immoral, and criminal acts for the sake of boosting his self-confidence through Damien's acceptance and praise. He was, in a sense, a victim of Damien's narcissism (which is seen as a reason to pity him by many). But truly, he was responsible for his actions at this point, and more aware of the hideous nature of his crime than Damien was. His relationship with Damien could be compared to that of an abused child to their abuser. The strength of that abuse is still evident today in Jason's piety toward Damien. This entire movement has only strengthened his reverence. He continues to believe that Damien will save him from his sad life. Truly, Jason's family carries just as much responsibility in neglecting his needs as Damien's family does. 

A similar phenomenon could explain Jessie's involvement as well. Which makes his actions just as malignant. However, his confessions do show a trace of remorse. I would assume that his break from the group is a result of his remorse as well as evidence that he was not as close to Damien as Jason was. He wasn't as invested in the relationship, and had other avenues of support in his life. Jason didn't.

Just my humble analysis of the relationships and how things can get to the point where teenage boys become murderers. For anyone who has difficulty believing that this crime could have been committed by teenagers. It's not an uncommon phenomenon, it just rarely goes as far and as deep as this one did.

eta: This does not mean that I believe Damien is not responsible for his actions. He was extremely mentally ill, and his family neglected his care. The state also neglected to interfere. Both Oregon and Arkansas. I also completely understand how families living in extreme poverty often neglect their children's care, especially by the time they get to be the age that these two were. Basic needs like food, clothing, and electricity trump affection and mental healthcare. It's difficult to give your children (perceived) secondary needs, when you struggle to provide the primary needs.

[RedBalloon]

I have always said, Jason is the one that worries me the most.

I'm with you on that statement, notgullible.   In PL1, Damien said it was Jason who usually came up with the stupid ideas.   Damien's a mouth.
Jason, how weird that when Domini showed up, he would cease talking.
Bet he hated that his little bitch Damien also had a girlfriend.