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[cnad]

Actually, Dixie....I just wanted to see if Dave and I had the same information re: the Hobbs animal stories that I had. And he does. Ive heard it already and I believe my source.

[Farm]

Your "source" is no mystery, Gonad.

[Rudder]

Oh NOOooo, Nads, are you saying that Terry crawls in animal carcass's?

You understand how ridiculous this sounds, right?

[Fishmonger Dave]

Offamy - I don't know when you were in the Army, but at Fort Jackson and Fort Lost In the Woods, Misery, the Army contracts out food service to civilian contractors (cheaper for the feds, I guess, not having to pay benefits?)

As to my source.  Sorry, the constraints of attorney-client privilege prohibit my revealing it at this point, but I've asked for permission and further clarification.  If I'm told it's not true, I'll certainly retract it, but it hardly changes the big picture on the post you're grabbing one sentence out of.  My failure to respond earlier was a result of my general habit of skipping posts that appear to be nothing but the usual insults & obscenities that y'all use instead of logic, argument & facts. 

Tell ya what - if Terry denies it and says its libel, he can sue me.  I'm not hard to track down.  If the victims' families (with the exception of the Moores) want, I'll represent them on contingency in a counter-claim for wrongful death on behalf of Stevie and Chris and for causing Jason, Jessie and Damien to lose 14 years of their lives.  Then I'll depose Terry, all the relevant witnesses, get all the evidence together, and we'll let a jury decide whether he's entitled to damages for defamation or the billion dollar counterclaim has merit.

Now, for something relevant.  Farm pointed out that Damien's only live issue before Burnett is the forensics testing.  Actually, he seemed to deny that even this was before the trial court, but unless Brent was lying -- http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=163&guy=1&year=2007# --, he's wrong (quote from July 2007 - "The State agrees that Damien Echols has pending in circuit court a petition for relief . . . ").  Even if Damien's only live issue in State court is the new forensics under the statute, Jason and Jessie's Rule 37 petitions are pending and all three are scheduled to be heard together.  Jason and Jessie raise the constitutional issues that Damien is precluded from pursuing.  Technically, the trial court (Burnett or whoever hears it) would have to consider the constitutional issues only as to Jason & Jessie, but Farm - if you believe he could find say with a straight face that Jessie & Jason showed an unfair trial but he won't carry that ruling over to Damien, then you need to get some sleep.  And, if he doesn't decide the correct way, then all three have exhausted their state remedies and we can let the feds decide it.

[cnad]

Bear,

I find it no more ridiculous than the "Echols Innards designs" stories Ive heard tell this side of the fence.

And Farm....Im sure you do think you know, but I dont think you could get it right with 3 guesses. Not that I'd tell you anyway.

[Farm]

Farm pointed out that Damien's only live issue before Burnett is the forensics testing.

You are lying again, Dave.

I never said there were any live issues before Burnett because there aren't.

but unless Brent was lying

One more time Dave, it's not Brent's decision.

The ASSC has jurisdiction now, it's as simple as that.

Just admit you didn't have a clue that was the case, and we can move forward with your education.

Even if Damien's only live issue in State court is the new forensics under the statute

How many more invitations do you need, Dave?

I have asked you what motion was pending, put up or shut up.

Jason and Jessie's Rule 37 petitions are pending and all three are scheduled to be heard together.

All three?

Damien's was heard 7 years ago.

How can you possibly be this stupid?

Jason and Jessie raise the constitutional issues that Damien is precluded from pursuing.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Damien's constitutional issues were precluded because they weren't timely three years ago.

You figure they will be more timely now for his accomplices?


You are an absolute idiot, Dave.

[mikespadre]

On second thought dave you are not worth my time or effort.  Sucks being you!.

[sheer]

Dave:

I've heard the same things you have about Terry Hobbs. I don't think it's debated that he grew up helping his butcher father working in a slaughterhouse - an old fashioned one, where the animals were hung upside down, hit on the head with a hammer to render them unconscious, then slit open. Terry was too small to reach into the gutted animal and slit its esophagus so as to remove the innards, and literally had to crawl inside. Nice work for an 11 year old. The arrest for a sexual offense against a vulnerable person (there, an older woman), shooting Pam's brother after beating her (yet again), his now-documented treatment of Steve Branch, the other things you mentioned.... and more to come ... Add in the profile of the killer - an adult who sought to hide the crime (in contrast to teen killers who, Columbine-like, tend to seek "glory") .... all combined with not only his hair at the sight, but the hair of someone whose house he was at after the kids disappeared. Ladies and gentleman, we have a winner.

And we got three guys who need to get out of prison as soon as possible.

You know Dave....?
I can't stand the way you write. Aside from the content, the tone is one of high school hyperbole. You sound like a bad Fox newsreader.

This:

"Ladies and gentleman, we have a winner.

And we got three guys who need to get out of prison as soon as possible"

just pisses me off, it's so unbelieveably hammy. Were you wearing your tiara and feather boa when you wrote that?  FFS.

Aside from that, you are aware I presume, of your fellow supporters assertion that it is Nons that base their theories on "rumour and speculation"?

Here let me help; one of your fellow hypocrites:

"To utilse public opinion based on scientific evidence and not rumor, specualtion and fear, (as was done deliberately and manipulatively to the public when this sad case began), is a very clever strategy. This time though, the public CAN rely and depend on things of substance, which is totally opposite to what was done prior. Spreading rumour and fear is very different to what is being done regarding the public, now. Apart from that, they have the right to know ie: it is of public interest."

Can you not see what you are doing?? That you are doing exactly what your ilk accuse others of doing?!!! BTW, There's only really 4 of you that are puking your rumour and speculatory "evidence" about Terry all over the board. FOUR. You, emtee, WG and Larner. (Actually it would be unfair to class Larner as one person, I doubt her brain capacity matches that of a a 10 yr old.) so 3 1/2  supporters that are pushing the new "hobbs theory".

How many supporters are there Dave? It hasn't even occured to you that the majority of supporters are keeping their mouths shut about Terry has it?
You do realise that behind the scenes people are just wishing you 3 and halfpint would shut the fuck up don't you?
Not all of them have fallen for KGB's new victim. But you 3 have. You're no better than the idiots that used to turn up on the board and say:
"JMB has no teeth!!!!!!!!!!! He's GUILTY!!"
There's a culture of lying and ignorance from the top and that can't help but effect everyone in your movement. (See the letter you've all been asked to send.)
Some will hold out bit longer, using their experience of the JMB fiasco to wait until what they perceive is 'real' evidence appears, but you, wg, emtee and larner you just trot out exactly what you are meant to. 

Add in the profile of the killer - an adult who sought to hide the crime (in contrast to teen killers who, Columbine-like, tend to seek "glory")

How bloody ridiculous. As usual supporters pick out one thing that they feel validates their opinion and ignore the rest.
I note there is no discussion of that profile on the supporter board. Funny that.  Have you actually read it Dave, or did you just read Randy's post about teen killers v adult ones?

How can you possibly use Columbine in relation to this crime? School shootings have an MO all of their own and not equatable with just any Teen murderers.
It's intellecutally dishonest of you to say otherwise.

You said you would be willing to retract your rumour spreading shite if told it was wrong by your source.
Can you retract your statements regarding Terry's words on the Terrygate tape please?

sheer

[offamychain]

Offamy - I don't know when you were in the Army, but at Fort Jackson and Fort Lost In the Woods, Misery, the Army contracts out food service to civilian contractors (cheaper for the feds, I guess, not having to pay benefits?)

 Occasionally, yes, they do that. But I don't see what that has to do with the "army butcher" thing. Regardless of whether some food service is contracted out or not, there are still Army cooks in the system & no butchers. Haven't been for a LONG, LONG time.

 If you want to start arguing military with me, you'll loose....guarenteed.

 

If I'm told it's not true, I'll certainly retract it

 Somehow, I seriously doubt that.

 

If the victims' families (with the exception of the Moores) want, I'll represent them

 I doubt if you'l EVER be asked to represent ANYONE....if they ever read any of your gibberish posted on this site. I'd keep your participation here a little secret if I were you, as far as concerning any potential client of yours.

 

My failure to respond earlier was a result of my general habit of skipping posts that appear to be nothing but the usual insults & obscenities that y'all use

 There is some truth to that statement, I'll admit. When someone runs their mouth about something that they obviously haven't got a clue about, they just might be ridiculed here. It adds some good entertainment value to the site. Over at the "other" board, people who have a different opinion than theirs are simply banned & their posts quickly deleted.

 (Well, AFTER they are told to, "Shut the fuck up!!" at least.)

[Farm]

Haven't been for a LONG, LONG time.

Terry was born in 58 so yes, we are talking a long time ago.

And few butchers actually slaughter animals.

In fact, the highest paid employees in your local grocery store are generally the butchers.

These are people with skill, they don't work the "killing floors".

Dave remains a complete idiot.

[Rudder]

As to my source.  Sorry, the constraints of attorney-client privilege prohibit my revealing it at this point

So, you are representing Mark now? You have been qualified to practice law in Tennessee? Or is this yet another lie?

And let me get this straight, if you were my lawyer, anything I tell you can be revealed to the public as fact as long as you don't use my name?

You sir, are a dunce.

[Fwarm]

They still have butchers the names have just changed over the decades. MOS 92G FOOD SERVICE OPERATIONS.

In fact they say it will prepare you for several civilians jobs including butcher. Of course many of these jobs are contracted now but they still have them.

What any of that has to do with the cost of condoms in China I have no idea.

[offamychain]

 That is true....use to be 94B's. But they don't butcher, just mix & cook. But, anyway, the military-thing is not really important. Just another of Dave's wild inventions, about what led up to a kid crawling around inside a carcass, to help explain his warped view of things.

[Farm]

And Farm....Im sure you do think you know, but I dont think you could get it right with 3 guesses. Not that I'd tell you anyway.

Hey Cnad, lie much?

Mark already took credit, you fucking moron.

Do you enjoy making a complete ass of yourself, or what?

[Fwarm]

 That is true....use to be 94B's. But they don't butcher, just mix & cook. But, anyway, the military-thing is not really important. Just another of Dave's wild inventions, about what led up to a kid crawling around inside a carcass, to help explain his warped view of things.

That is all true, I would think that in Korean War they still had butchers and maybe into the 60's. Problem of course is that MRE is much easier to ship then cows and chickens ot be butchered.

Most large bases mess halls are not all that different then any other buffet style resturant these days they don't have cows out back to cut up they have freezer trucks bringing in the food.

I still don't see what any of it has to do with Terry Hobbs. As you said just Dave and his mind working in over heated conditions.