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[dixie]

I believe he heard it as fact and is repeating it also, Rudder.  If this is the case, it is nothing more than
gossip or biased hearsay.  At least he could have the tenacity to explain this to us.  He could say "I
heard it as truth from someone in the investigation and I cannot disclose that person's identity".
I figure that is what he will say, anyway.  I am just surprised he hasn't said so yet.

Obviously, posting such comments as fact on the supporter board is aimed at those who are not very
informed about the case and are open to such gross statements.  It gives them something to latch
on to.  Just as every death penalty opponent must naturally want Damien to not be executed,
every vegan or free-range enthusiast is hoped to be drawn in to such words.  And those who believe that
harvesting animals for food is wrong are going to be sickened by what Dave posted.

He did it for a reason.  He obviously has no factual link.  To say he heard it from someone in the investigation
is just more smoke and mirrors.  It can't be proven as fact that way.  He just hopes that it will be taken
as fact because he said so.

Dave, if you have real links to facts, then I apologize in advance.  I have had no previous dealings with you.
But your continued refusal to give such links or actual facts is tainting my opinion of everything you have
to say.


Dixie

[Rudder]

I don't think it was aimed to sway vegans or freerangers. The whole premise is derivative of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre". I know absolutely nothing about the slaughterhouse industry, so if I was going to make up a story, the only thing I could draw inspiration from would be TCM. They described killing cattle with hammers, and in the end, they were all demented murderers. This is just an attempt to link Terry's father's past profession with one of the most widely known horror movies of all time. Pretty sad attempt at that.

As far as if Dave made up the story or is just repeating what he's been told, it is equally irresponsible and has the same effect of indicting a man by stating as fact, that which cannot be corroborated.

Pretty shameful when you take into account that it is the parent of a victim that they have to lie on.

[dixie]

It's like they are playing musical chairs with the parents.  The music started playing again, Mark wisely
took the opportunity to grab a seat this time, and when the music ended, Terry was left standing.  It
never changes.

However, I assure you they will be quick to turn on Mark when nothing happens to free Damien.  And isn't
that what the writ is really about?  Aren't the other two just a side item?  It seems it is all about Damien.
This is going to be a long process that, IMO, will lead nowhere except delaying Damien's execution date
some more.  For myself, I liked the initial ruling when Damien received the DP and was sentenced to die
the next May 5th.  It was symbolic, we knew there would be a long delay for appeals.  But hopefully when
it does finally happen, it will be on a May 5th.

Terry Hobbs is not some crazy man akin to Ed Gein, who was the original ghoul who inspired Hitchcock's
"Psycho", the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and so many more up to Rob Zombie's "House of A 1000
Corpses".  When I listen to Terry, I hear a man who wonders if the boys were crying for their fathers.
(Or even mothers, as is often reported by those who have seen men die in battle.)  It was genuine, IMO, whether he
suspected he was being taped or not.  I don't hear a deeply disturbed psychotic man on that tape.  I
hear a man who is actually trying to help Mark.  Telling him all will be okay.

Meanwhile, Mark is referring to the trevails of Job in the bible.  He asks Terry "what do you think it meant
when it said some would receive their rewards for their deeds in the latter days (words are mine)?".  He
wants to know if after all his suffering this could mean him.  Terry says that it could.  But what Mark was,
IMO, getting at was trying to ask Terry "are you going to get your rewards for killing these boys in these,
the latter days".  Terry didn't waiver.  He didn't show any type of fear at all.  I also think that Douglas
just pointed strongly at Terry to get a response.  Well, he got a statement of innocence.  And Douglas
is gone on and no longer a part of this case.  He was paid.  Mark will be turned on by the supporters just
as soon as they are done using him.

It has become abundantly clear in their chat that people are disappointed in the writ, that they expected much
more, and that they are hoping Mark will give out this info on television next week.  They have little
patience, and he will come off as he always has, unfortunately for them.  He should watch his back against
a pack of vultures.  It will happen soon.

Dixie

[Rudder]

It's like they are playing musical chairs with the parents.

Yes, I got this distinct feeling. It's a good thing Todd has a rock solid alibi or else he might be the next one hung out to dry. As it is, Mark did insinuate something about Todd but as soon as it was mentioned, he started backpedaling. I still have no idea what that was all about.

When I listen to Terry, I hear a man who wonders if the boys were crying for their fathers.

When I first heard the tape, I was dumbfounded that Mark would think it was incriminating at all. When I talked to Mark a couple of hours after hearing the tape, I repeatedly asked Mark if he was sure, because Terry had sounded so sincere to me. I mean, the guy is sitting there eating some Taco Bell, covering his ass? I just don't buy it. Quoting scripture and eating Taco Bell...whatever. The only solace I get in this is that no one, except for Dave, has tried to ascribe ulterior meaning to Terry's words. The only supporter I've seen mention the recording is Dave. The rest just know that there is nothing there they can twist, so they pretend it don't exist.\

people are disappointed in the writ, that they expected much more

Yeah, Dave quoted me earlier on how the borg has become a ghost town. The only people I see that post there regularly is Dave, sumbitch, and Stacia. Sure, there might be 50 visitors a day, but they aren't posting. They're probably reading, hoping someone can explain that the writ actually meant something.

[MachaSidhe]

"Pretty shameful when you take into account that it is the parent of a victim that they have to lie on."

Where would their "movement" be without that. Musical chairs was a good analogy sad but true , from the get go. Now they just turned tables and scratch that name out and put this one in to fit.

Macha

[BlackAngel]

Rudder

Its going to be interesting to see what Mark has to say on monday...

This is the first time in along time that I am looking forward to monday.

Jan

[Rudder]

Rudder

Its going to be interesting to see what Mark has to say on monday...

This is the first time in along time that I am looking forward to monday.

Jan

Lol Jan, what the hell can he say but his opinion? If there was something to be "revealed", don't you think someone else would hog the credit?

My suggestion to Mark is, make sure there are no stars nearby that they can superimpose on your forehead.

[Farm]

If there was something to be "revealed", don't you think someone else would hog the credit?

Like maybe...... the DEFENSE?

You honestly think they would have left all Mark's "compelling" evidence out of the writ?

[Linda Fay]

Rudder,
Actually there were supporters that listened to the taped conversation with Terry and nearly every one that I read stated they found nothing incriminating about it at all; including myself. I read posts on both boards; I feel with any issue it's a good idea to get opinions from both sides and I believe there is good and bad information on both sides as well. As a supporter I often find myself cringing at some of the things I read there; However, not ALL supporters are stupid, uninformed "scum bags". There are a lot of supporters that post opinions and questions in a manner that deals with the subject and not the person.

I do enjoy reading the informational posts on both boards, the personal attacks can be a bit "unnerving" at times; people declaring the desire to celebrate the death of another human being, in any circumstance is harsh; if I see that coming, I skip over it... I enjoy your posts and Jan's. Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving... Thanks for letting me post my opinion...
Linda

[Farm]

Actually there were supporters that listened to the taped conversation with Terry and nearly every one that I read stated they found nothing incriminating about it at all

And yet they deleted the link to it, and condemned the fact that it was ever made public.

See how it works?

[dixie]

If I recall correctly, it was Kizza Myazz or JMB that posted that link to the recording over there on the brown
board.  He said it might as well post it since he was sure everyone was going to hear it anyway.  And what
a bad act it was for Rudder to release it.

I wonder if he has realized yet that the admins over there have moved one of his threads.  They claim that it
is almost a holy experience to have had JMB come over to their side.  They gloat over having pictures of him
in their t-shirts.  Yet, they don't think he is mature or bright enough to decide what to post for himself.  That
should be a little warning for him in advance.  He himself has already been censored.  With what he is going
to start saying next week on television, I wonder if he realizes that they may also not like what he has to
say.  IMO, they just want him as a prize to say "Mark supports the WM3".  They don't want him to really be
himself and speak his mind, as evidenced by what they did with his thread.

In chat, many supporters are expressing a lot of fear over what he may say or do in the future.  They say it
is good to have him, but that they are afraid of him.  They refer to him as a loose cannon.  Poor Mark, I really
do feel for him.  He of all people should know a con when he encounters one.  Those supporters are just
one big con on the people who come there to read.  Sure lots of us read there but never log in.  So they say
they have so many readers.  So what?  A lot of us readers that don't log in or post do just that because we
are nons and we just don't have anything to say to them.


Dixie

[Fishmonger Dave]

Farm,

I don't want to waste any more time arguing with you as to whether the trial court (Burnett as of now) has jurisdiction over the "New Forensics" issue under the statute.  If you still don't get it and (of course) cannot admit you're wrong, then let's just put this one in the same box with "there were no plea discussion for Jessie's testimony" and "there is a huge difference between occult and satanism in the AR SCT opinions."

In response to your "what fucking motion?!" question, here is the motion:
http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#

Here is just one of the orders issued on the motion by Judge Burnett (i.e., not by the AR SCT):
http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=80&guy=1&year=2003

You are confused on this issue.,  Te Arkansas Supreme Court denied Echols' request to reinvest jurisdiction in the trial court on the coram nobis
http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=138&guy=1&year=2005

That's all they denied -- the request to reinvest the trial court with jurisdiction on the coram nobis.  Period.  Go read your own damned link:
http://courts.state.ar.us/opinions/2005a/20050120/cr94-928.html

Quoting - from the link you supplied:
Echols first filed his motion for DNA testing in September of 2002, the motion is still pending in the circuit court

For God's sake, boy - can you actually read the record - just once - and stop making a fool of yourself with your appalling ignorance of the record?  I can't humiliate on the big issues when you don't understand the small ones.

And - even though the trial court does not have jurisdiction over Damien's constitutional claims, Jason and Jessie have  Rule 37 petitions pending unheard in the trial court that raise the same constitutional issues Damien is raising.  These matters (i.e., DE's DNA motion and Jason / Jessie's Rule 37 motions) are scheduled to be heard together.  So, while the trial court may (during the hearing) be considering the constitutional issues "only as to Misskelley and Baldwin", are you really so dense as to not see that any favorable ruling on these claims would carry over to Damien?

Damn, you some kind of powerful stupid.

[AnimeJSK]

Hey Farm.

Your deafening silence on the issue of jurisdiction remaining in the trial court leaves me wondering if you have

a) finally figured it out

b) not yet finished reading the documents

c) decided to take AL's advice and get a hobby, in which case I will happily send you some Martha Stewart Christmas craft books.


Let me know, my post office closes early tomorrow.  Don't worry, we can love you even when you're wrong, and we actually respect you more for admitting it.  ;)

[ED]

What is happening with Mark and TV next week. I must have missed something as I am banned from the brown board. What news channel is he appearing on?

[Farm]

I don't want to waste any more time arguing with you

You never had an argument, Dave.

You never bothered to read the motions, and you didn't have a clue.   

In response to your "what fucking motion?!" question, here is the motion:

See what I mean?

The testing was ordered, you stupid fuck.

That motion is no longer pending, and he hasn't filed the remaining one yet.

You are confused on this issue.,  Te Arkansas Supreme Court denied Echols' request to reinvest jurisdiction in the trial court on the coram nobis

And what does that mean, retard?

It means the ASSC has jusridiction.

That's all they denied -- the request to reinvest the trial court with jurisdiction on the coram nobis.  Period.  Go read your own damned link:

So who has jurisdiction, you fucking idiot?

Echols first filed his motion for DNA testing in September of 2002, the motion is still pending in the circuit court

No idiot, the motion WAS still pending at that time because Burnett hadn't ordered testing yet.

We all know you don't care about making yourself look like an idiot, but now your pal animatron here looks almost as stupid as you.

What a pair of morons.