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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2011, 07:44:20 AM »

Hey Gizmo - someone probably already typed this - but the alibis even get debunked in PL1 - the pro Damien "documentary". Watch it again. He admits, in his own words, on the stand, and under oath, that he was changing his story to fit the "alibi".

That doesn't raise in any questions in your head? Come on now.
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« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2011, 07:46:20 AM »

You ask why we have a board when us "guys won".

I find that very odd and I think that you're baiting, rather than asking an honest question.

However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and I'll answer you.

Nobody "won". I don't know what you think this is, but it isn't something that people win.

When the wm3 were picked up by Berlinger and Sinofsky, and a documentary made..a group began supporting the wm3. This group began begging for money. The major medium for this was the internet and discussion forums. To get that money they had to lie to people. (They still are.)
People seeing this decided to look at the case, some people read the documents and believed that the state and 24 men and women got it right: the wm3 were guilty.
These people believed that it was wrong to get money from people on false pretences and they also believed that it was wrong to try and free child killers. So they set up their own boards in an attempt to counteract the many lies that 'supporters' were spreading.
Some of these people care very deeply and are concerned that supporters are ensuring that the families have to relive this year after year after year. And they want it to stop.

I hope that answers your question.


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I don't think it needed to be explained - but you explained it perfectly. :)
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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2011, 08:09:50 AM »

  Jesses confessions and Damien and Jesses lies on the stand are verifiable.

General, jessie didn't 'take the stand' .. so how did he lie on the stand? 
or was that just a mix up in words, on your part?

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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2011, 10:39:46 AM »

Scott Peterson I believe was convicted on circumstantial evidence.  Another was John Walsh's son Adam.  No DNA for the rape and murder of his son.

If you have a question about a theory you have heard or read and you would like an opposing view, just ask it in a respectable fashion and I am sure many here on this board will assist you


Scott peterson was the victims husband, DNA really wouldn't play a role into that case.  Of course his DNA would be on her.
Forgive me if I'm mistaken but I thought I heard that only John Walsh's sons head was found.  They never recovered the body, so there's alot of potential evidence missing.

And thank you, i will continue to ask questions regarding the case.  I've found many people here very helpful and nice. 
It's been a while since i read the trial transcripts so I am going to do that again and see if they clarify anything further for me.  Thanks for everyones honest and respectful posts.  I appreciate it.
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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2011, 01:15:51 PM »

You are correct JusJulie. It was a poor sentence.  The lies on the stand were for Jesse not by Jesse. 

I think the signed receipt was pretty damming as proof that the alibi was fabricated. Dont you?  This is my beef with the imagination game. Finding some random dna is not better evidence than a confession and fabricated alibis.  It would call into question the validity of the dna evidence more than the verdicts.  Most have probably heard of the demonstration in connnection with JonBenet case of purchasing a brand new pair of panties and finding dna on them?  Finding some one elses dna in no way clears the WM3. 


Since I am on a roll I did misread one of Gizmos posts.  He was discussing  the possible movement of the bodies but I missed that he meant within the  patch of woods.  I think the evidence indicates everything happened right there but we have Jesse stating he chased one down so clearly there is some distance between the actual discovery spot (underwater) and some of the other events. We are talking about a distance of feet though not another location all together. I cant help but feel the question relates to the manhole theory though and that is the dumbest crap I have  ever heard. 
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« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2011, 01:34:57 PM »

I cant help but feel the question relates to the manhole theory though and that is the dumbest crap I have  ever heard.

We are definitely in agreement on that!!!!

One of the reasons I dislike the supporter boards.  I understand them waiting to clear the WM3 since they genuinely believe they are innocent, but they have to right to point fingers at anyone else.  I think that scenario is totally merit less.   I remember reading how they tied the bojangles man into their theories by saying that he wandered into the woods and Terry shot him!!  Wow..just wow.
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« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2011, 06:29:33 PM »

Hey Giz..........I am starting to feel proud of you! You're beginning to see the truth!  Keep reading the trial transcripts on callahan, and particularly the WMPD interviews with Damien's Mom (Pamela Hutchison) for the alibi on the evening of May 5..........The light is beginning to shine brighter.
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« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2011, 06:44:19 PM »

I wrote this post about alibis with links to documents a few years ago:

http://www.downonthefarm.org/wm3hoax/board/index.php/topic,625.msg4144.html#msg4144

It's not exhaustive....but the links to docs are often better seen in context.


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« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2011, 08:45:00 PM »


No offense Gizmo but I am really tired of seeing this and even tired of explaining it. This has been gone over many times on this board. It is not a fact there was no DNA found from the accused. What was tested was fragmented and none of it was reconstructed. Also not all of the evidence has been tested yet.
We don't know they were smoking either  or even if Jason and Damien were drunk. I am sure you are aware it rained and this could have wiped away alot of evidence.

I believe they were murdered close by from where they were found.



I understand that you've been over stuff like that a million times and are probably sick of it.  Just ignore my posts in the future if it is too repetitious for you.

I have heard the prosecution was fighting pretty hard to not have more DNA testing done.  Is there any truth to that?


RE: Prosecutions and DNA testing--http://wm3org.typepad.com/files/echols_testing_state_4-8-11-1.pdf

Not only did the prosecutors not object, they had no problem with more DNA testing. And, of course, some supporters used this as a fundraising mechanism, per normal.


THANK YOU for the link, that clarifies alot for me.


You are welcome. Oddly, a few on the site where that was originally posted made the claim the prosecutors wanted to avoid DNA testing. It's almost as if they are so invested in their beliefs that they don't even read what is in their own echo chamber.
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« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2011, 08:52:23 PM »

Thanks Bcampy!!

Sheer,  wow...that was alot of info, my head spun a little.  Thanks.

Notgullible, you're right on that.  While I may not fully agree with everyones opinions on her, I will admit that you guys are HONEST!
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« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2011, 08:01:06 AM »

Gizmo

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message665935/pg1

Charles Manson is innocent.  You can buy a t-shirt that says Ted Bundy is Innocent.

Facts about Ted Bundy

Ted Bundy was not his birth name.
He was born Theodore Robert Cowell and remained so for a few years.  After he moved to Tacoma with his mother, she changed his last name to Nelson.  Within a year after that, his mother Louise Cowell met Johnnie Culpepper Bundy.  They later married and Johnnie Bundy legally adopted Theodore and changed his last name to Bundy.

Ted Bundy thought his mother was his sister for many years.
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« Arthur OkunPaul Revere »He was born at a home for unwed mothers.  To avoid the social stigma of having an illegitimate grandchild born to a young mother, his grandparents claimed him as their own.  They told young Ted that Louise was his sister and not his mother.  He did not discover the truth of his maternal parentage until at least the end of high school or perhaps in the first couple years of college.

No one is really sure who his biological father was.
His mother gives two different stories for this.  The name on his birth certificate was Lloyd Marshall.  However, she later spoke of being seduced by a war veteran named Jack Worthington.  There is one other option, however.  Some members of Bundy’s family think that his grandfather may also be his biological father.  He was  mentally unstable, violent and abusive.  He would also fly into a rage if anyone spoke of Ted’s biological father.

He showed violent tendencies as young as three years old.
His Aunt Julia, Louise’s younger sister, recalls incidents of laying down for a nap in her home and waking up to find knives surrounding her and a smiling three year old Bundy at her side.  This paints an eerie, strange picture of a toddler arranging knives around his sleeping aunt.

Bundy’s grandfather (who he thought was his father and indeed may have been) tortured animals.
Bundy describes incidents of his grandfather Samuel abusing the family dog.  He also claimed that Samuel would swing neighbourhood cats around by their tails.  Ted himself has been said to torment animals with knives.  He would mutilate animals with the knives which seemed to fascinate him so much.

Young Ted was active in the Methodist Church and even served as Vice President of the Methodist Youth Fellowship.
He was also involved in the Boy Scouts of America club.  Although later he stated:  “I didn’t know what made people want to be friends.  I didn’t know what made people attractive to one another. I didn’t know what underlay social interactions.”  He was often described as shy and introverted at this age.

His criminal activities began before he finished high school.
He was a habitual liar.  He compulsively stole and shoplifted.  He later claimed that he was also involved in voyeurism at a young age specifically by peeping into windows.  He was arrested twice as a juvenile but the records were later expunged.

He majored in Psychology in University and graduated with a degree in 1972.
He started taking classes upon his graduation from high school in 1965 in Psychology and Oriental Studies.  After a serious girlfriend broke up with him for his lack of ambition, he rededicated himself to Psychology and earned his degree in 1972.  He was well liked by his professors and graduated with honors.  He started dating a woman with a child (relationship lasted six years) while concurrently and covertly re-establishing his relationship with his girlfriend who dumped him.  After a year of their born again relationship, he proposed and she accepted.  Two weeks later, he dumped her and began his killing spree.  He would not break up his six year relationship to another woman until he was arrested for kidnapping in 1976.  There are many who say that most of his victims looked like the girlfriend who original dumped him (long dark hair parted in the middle).

He volunteered at a suicide crisis center alongside a now famous crime author, Ann Rule.
 As a part of his psychology classes, he volunteered at a suicide crisis center.  Imagine, a serial killer talking people out of killing themselves.  Completely bizarre.  One of his co-workers and friends was Ann Rule who is now a well known crime writer.  She was researching the crimes Ted committed all the while not knowing it was her friend who committed them.  She later published a book called : “The Stranger Beside Me” detailing her relationship with Ted and the numerous crimes he was convicted of.

Ted was heavily involved with the Republican.
In 1968, Ted managed the Seattle office of Nelson Rockefeller’s presidential campaign and attended the Republican Convention in Miami.  After his graduation in 1972, he went to work for the state Republican Party.  He was later involved in a minor scandal when the democrats found out that Ted had been following one of them around posing as a college student and taping their speeches and reporting the information back to his Republican office.

Ted Bundy’s journey to adulthood had many odd facets.  Perhaps a closer examination of serial killer’s pasts can lead to their earlier detection and possibly even prevent serial killers from killing.



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« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2011, 08:10:15 AM »

Free Ted Bundy!!! Or at least give him a new trial!!! Wait, is he dead?

Who cares! Free Ted Bundy!
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« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2011, 01:50:17 PM »

Hey All.............Didn't know where to post this, but decided to place it on Giz's latest topic right here, since "WHY?" seemed like the appropriate question to ask, and we will likely never know for sure, why 3 innocents had to die like this. I thought it was only appropriate to remind all of us that at approx. 6:30 - 8:30PM, 18 years ago tonight, the town of West Memphis lost 3 of it's innocent babies and was changed forever. Let's put aside our positions on the WM3 for a few minutes tonight, and remember those 3 cute little boys, and their families, in our thoughts and prayers..................   
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« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2011, 05:28:19 PM »

May God Always Bless Michael, Stevie, and Christopher.....
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« Reply #74 on: May 05, 2011, 08:53:03 PM »

My thoughts and prayers are with those three little boys and their families.
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