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[WM]

sorry, i dont why this last post did like that.....stayed in quote like it did...what did i do wrong?

[Farm]

He mentions Jacoby, not Mark.

Hey stupid.

Here's what you said...

so when was it when he was in the woods, and says he saw Mark and Melissa, driving down the service rd??

It was a fairly simple question, dipshit.

When did Terry meet Mark?

You can use Mark's statement since he's so much more credible now.

[WM]

He mentions Jacoby, not Mark.

Hey stupid.

Here's what you said...

so when was it when he was in the woods, and says he saw Mark and Melissa, driving down the service rd??

It was a fairly simple question, dipshit.

When did Terry meet Mark?

You can use Mark's statement since he's so much more credible now.

Here is when TH met JMB, and your right, its before he goes into the woods:

Officer: Ok, Ummm, Ok so *clears throat* After you talked to uh Miss Moore, she comes by your house and tells you that she's, she's looking for em, looking for the boys to. At this time do you know anything about Christopher Byers.

Terry HObbs: No

Officer: Ok, umm, so what, what do you do after you talk to Miss Moore?

Terry HObbs: She says she's going to her house and I say, well i'm coming over there to. And, cuz we went over there and Dawn was still there and Dawn said she em go this way on their bicycles. So, uh while we're standing there in the front yard talking, here comes a big booly looking dude walking across the street and I look at him and I say, who's that? and of course that's Mark Byers. That's when i first met Mark Byers

Officer: Ok

Terry Hobbs: He was,looked like the Shaggy D.A., don't quote that "laugh" But he comes across the street and he says, have you all seen Chris? And we said No, but have you seen Michael and Stevie "No"

Terry HObbs: Uh, I think right then is when we put together that they might have been together...... at that time.


Officer: What when uhh when Dawn Moore says that she saw them going up the street did she say who all she saw?

Terry Hobbs: No

Officer: but she said they were on their bikes?

Terry Hobbs: Cuz Dana said, she asked her when she got there, you know has Michael been home, has he called, something like that. And is Stevie with him? Something like that.ahh, And Mark come walking across the street saying, you all seen Christopher. And I think right then is when we all figured out that they might have all three been togther.

Officer: And you never met Mark Byers before that day?

Terry HObbs: NO


But, he says he drove away from them, and picked up Jacoby, and they entered the woods from 6-6:30. He never said he entered the woods with Mark. I dont find anything Mark says to be credible by the way.

[Farm]

He says he entered at 6 or 6:30, surely between himself, David Jacoby, and the 20 or 40 other people who were searching

Hey stupid.

Why did they all search the woods?

Because the "black kid" told Mark they saw the kids at the Goodwin dead end after 6:30.

Terry didn't meet Mark until after Meek took his statement, and that's when Mark told folks what he heard:

THERE'S A LITTLE BOY AND GIRL THAT LIVE THERE THAT CHRISTOPHER WOULD PLAY WITH. AND THE LITTLE BOY AND LITTLE GIRL SAID, YEAH, WE SAW CHRISTOPHER AND STEVEN AND MICHAEL A LITTLE BIT AFTER 6:30, OUR MAMA WAS BRINGING US HOME FROM THE STORE AND WE WAS COMING DOWN GOODWIN, AND WE SAW 'EM GOING IN THE ROBINHOOD AREA. WELL, THEN THAT CONCRETE SHOOT, YOU KNOW WHERE THE CONCRETE PART IS THAT GOES IN DOWN THERE JUST RIGHT OFF OF 14TH. SO, RYAN AND I THEN, CAME BACK TO THE HOUSE AND DANA IS AROUND HER HOUSE LOOKING AND THEN TERRY HOBBS, I THINK HAD COME UP BY THEN AND TOLD 'EM YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE AREA THEY'D LAST SEEN. SO WE KIND OF ALL CONVERGED DOWN THERE LOOKING IN THE WOODS.

Dana confirmed this as well, Pull your head out of your ass.

I dont find anything Mark says to be credible by the way.

Bullshit, you chose to believe whatever anyone says that helps your pathetic arguments.

Once again, why don't you do what needs to be done.

Why don't you find an alibi for the convicts.

Don't you realize how stupid you look pointing at anyone else who comes down the pike?

[WM]

He says he entered at 6 or 6:30, surely between himself, David Jacoby, and the 20 or 40 other people who were searching

Hey stupid.

Why did they all search the woods?

Because the "black kid" told Mark they saw the kids at the Goodwin dead end after 6:30.

Terry didn't meet Mark until after Meek took his statement, and that's when Mark told folks what he heard:

THERE'S A LITTLE BOY AND GIRL THAT LIVE THERE THAT CHRISTOPHER WOULD PLAY WITH. AND THE LITTLE BOY AND LITTLE GIRL SAID, YEAH, WE SAW CHRISTOPHER AND STEVEN AND MICHAEL A LITTLE BIT AFTER 6:30, OUR MAMA WAS BRINGING US HOME FROM THE STORE AND WE WAS COMING DOWN GOODWIN, AND WE SAW 'EM GOING IN THE ROBINHOOD AREA. WELL, THEN THAT CONCRETE SHOOT, YOU KNOW WHERE THE CONCRETE PART IS THAT GOES IN DOWN THERE JUST RIGHT OFF OF 14TH. SO, RYAN AND I THEN, CAME BACK TO THE HOUSE AND DANA IS AROUND HER HOUSE LOOKING AND THEN TERRY HOBBS, I THINK HAD COME UP BY THEN AND TOLD 'EM YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE AREA THEY'D LAST SEEN. SO WE KIND OF ALL CONVERGED DOWN THERE LOOKING IN THE WOODS.

Dana confirmed this as well, Pull your head out of your ass.

I dont find anything Mark says to be credible by the way.

Bullshit, you chose to believe whatever anyone says that helps your pathetic arguments.

Once again, why don't you do what needs to be done.

Why don't you find an alibi for the convicts.

Don't you realize how stupid you look pointing at anyone else who comes down the pike?

He says he entered at 6 or 6:30, surely between himself, David Jacoby, and the 20 or 40 other people who were searching

Hey stupid.

Why did they all search the woods?

Because the "black kid" told Mark they saw the kids at the Goodwin dead end after 6:30.

Terry didn't meet Mark until after Meek took his statement, and that's when Mark told folks what he heard:

THERE'S A LITTLE BOY AND GIRL THAT LIVE THERE THAT CHRISTOPHER WOULD PLAY WITH. AND THE LITTLE BOY AND LITTLE GIRL SAID, YEAH, WE SAW CHRISTOPHER AND STEVEN AND MICHAEL A LITTLE BIT AFTER 6:30, OUR MAMA WAS BRINGING US HOME FROM THE STORE AND WE WAS COMING DOWN GOODWIN, AND WE SAW 'EM GOING IN THE ROBINHOOD AREA. WELL, THEN THAT CONCRETE SHOOT, YOU KNOW WHERE THE CONCRETE PART IS THAT GOES IN DOWN THERE JUST RIGHT OFF OF 14TH. SO, RYAN AND I THEN, CAME BACK TO THE HOUSE AND DANA IS AROUND HER HOUSE LOOKING AND THEN TERRY HOBBS, I THINK HAD COME UP BY THEN AND TOLD 'EM YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE AREA THEY'D LAST SEEN. SO WE KIND OF ALL CONVERGED DOWN THERE LOOKING IN THE WOODS.

Dana confirmed this as well, Pull your head out of your ass.

I dont find anything Mark says to be credible by the way.

Bullshit, you chose to believe whatever anyone says that helps your pathetic arguments.

Once again, why don't you do what needs to be done.

Why don't you find an alibi for the convicts.

Don't you realize how stupid you look pointing at anyone else who comes down the pike?

Ive not pointed to anyone, and, i am trying to create an alibi of where the 3 were not....how could they have been there killing kids when Terry, David, Mark and Melissa cruising the service rd, and 20-40 people were in those woods searching from 6-6:30, as Terry describes.  Very simply, a bold move would be to call Terry himself to be the alibi witness.

[Farm]

how could they have been there killing kids when Terry, David, Mark and Melissa cruising the service rd, and 20-40 people were in those woods searching from 6-6:30, as Terry describes.

These 20-30 people didn't know to look in the woods until after Mark told them the black kids saw them at the Goodwin dead end entrance.

This was AFTER Meek took Mark's statement.

[WM]

how could they have been there killing kids when Terry, David, Mark and Melissa cruising the service rd, and 20-40 people were in those woods searching from 6-6:30, as Terry describes.

These 20-30 people didn't know to look in the woods until after Mark told them the black kids saw them at the Goodwin dead end entrance.

This was AFTER Meek took Mark's statement.

was one of these balck kids Bobby Posey?

[WM]

And if not, can you show me where the black kids statement is, please?

[Farm]

Again?

THERE'S A LITTLE BOY AND GIRL THAT LIVE THERE THAT CHRISTOPHER WOULD PLAY WITH. AND THE LITTLE BOY AND LITTLE GIRL SAID, YEAH, WE SAW CHRISTOPHER AND STEVEN AND MICHAEL A LITTLE BIT AFTER 6:30, OUR MAMA WAS BRINGING US HOME FROM THE STORE AND WE WAS COMING DOWN GOODWIN, AND WE SAW 'EM GOING IN THE ROBINHOOD AREA. WELL, THEN THAT CONCRETE SHOOT, YOU KNOW WHERE THE CONCRETE PART IS THAT GOES IN DOWN THERE JUST RIGHT OFF OF 14TH. SO, RYAN AND I THEN, CAME BACK TO THE HOUSE AND DANA IS AROUND HER HOUSE LOOKING AND THEN TERRY HOBBS, I THINK HAD COME UP BY THEN AND TOLD 'EM YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE AREA THEY'D LAST SEEN. SO WE KIND OF ALL CONVERGED DOWN THERE LOOKING IN THE WOODS.

That's why everyone met up at the Goodwin dead end to search for the kids there in the first place.

And that was after Meek took Byer's missing person report.

It doesn't matter what time Hobbs says it was fourteen years later, nobody knew the victims were seen at the dead end until Mark told everyone.

They were NOT searching the woods at 6-6:30pm, Dana had seen them alive at 6.

They didn't meet up at the woods until after Mark's missing person report, and that's when Hobbs met him. 

[WM]

OK, You get a free "you asshole" for that one. you had already posted that   Here is the Missing persons report


8:08pm: Officer Regenia Meek arrives at the Byers’ home to take a missing person's report for Christopher.
Police Documents, 5/5/93 WMPD Station Logs, 3-11 shift, p. 5 *
Byers, Christopher, 5/5/93 Missing person's report *

8:10pm: Dana Moore arrives at the Byers’ home while Officer Meek is taking the missing person's report. She tells the Byers and Officer Meek that Michael and Steve are with Christopher.
Source: Byers, Christopher, 5/5/93 Missing person's report *
Byers, John Mark, 5/19/93 interview, p. 2 *
Testimony, Misskelley Trial, Dana Moore


*note Terry is not noted present. he may be, but its not documented. But your saying he didnt go searching until after this.


here is Terrys describing going into the woods.

Terry Hobbs: Sure

Officer: You did,

Terry Hobbs: nods yes

Officer: You remember about what time that was?

Terry Hobbs: 6 - 6:30

Officer: K, who was with you at that time?

Terry Hobbs: David

Officer: David Jacoby. Anybody else?

Terry Hobbs: Just alot of neighbourhood people. Cause there was people on 3 wheelers, 4 wheelers, motorcycles, bicycles, on foot. That was you know, help calling, us, helping us look for 3 kids.

Officer: Is there anything that you saw that you uhh, was it daylight or dark when you all went out there the first time?

Terry Hobbs: Daylight

Officer: Daylight? Was there anything out there that that struck you as unusual or odd that you saw?

Terry Hobbs: Nothing other than I wouldn't have been out here, this is not a place I hang out, No. And we were told at one time that there was something that covered up a hole or something and they thought they mighta been in that hole so some of them little kids that knew where that place was at said that they'd go check it. I think uhh, that little Byers boy. The one that was alive. There's another one alive. I can't think of his name, but I think he was gonna go with some of the people that was there and check, but I don't know what they's talking about.

Officer: Was that suppose to be out there in the wooded area also?

Terry Hobbs: Uhh hmm

Officer: Ok, Ok. Umm, so when you, how long you think you stayed out there in the wooded area the first time? Robinhood area?

Terry Hobbs: I don't know cause we would drive around looking and then go down the service road looking up in there and walk in out there from both sides.

Officer: Did you see anybody uh hanging around that area that, that. Well you said that people were looking, I mean, if you had, your best guess I guess Terry umm. How many people do you, your best estimate of how many people do you during this first time your out there do you think are out in that area loooking?

Terry Hobbs: 20 to 40

Officer: 20 to 40, ok so that's a good number, thats a large amount of people

Terry HObbs: uh hmmm

Officer: Umm, were any of them police officers at that time? Or were they just citizens?

Terry Hobbs: Just Regena, and, after shift change another officer came out, but he aint go in the woods. He stayed in his car.

Officer: k, When you get done, is this the first time your out in the wooded area? Or the

Terry Hobbs: Probably


Now, i can easily buy a few minutes off in time, maybe an hour, but the difference between daylight and dark?  At 8:10, even if you double haul ass from the Byers home to Rhh, its well past dark, in West Memphis, Arkansas on any May 5.

[MachaSidhe]

It is clear he is describing events and times after 6-6:30 and is off . Given the amount of time that has passed and how shock effects the memory , it's understandable to me.

Macha

[Farm]

*note Terry is not noted present. he may be, but its not documented.

Terry is at Dana's.

Both Mark and Dana reported this.

Now, i can easily buy a few minutes off in time, maybe an hour

It doesn't really matter what you "buy" or what you would rather believe, Hobbs and company didn't go to RHH until after Mark told them the kids were seen at the Goodwin dead end.

It really is just that simple.

[Tricky8oy]

Actually guys i would ask you all to listen again i think she had a brain fart and mixed the words up and even added a word. Eye being that word. I think what she meant to say is " New dna evidence thats says they werent there and an EXPERT witness will testify this"

Of course thats my opinion

joke

What does DNA stand for?

National Dyslexics Association

 

[nats]

Hey!! what's wrong with you guys! dont you believe the Dixie Chicks???!!!  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

[tslz64]

Just an opinion but,who the fuck are you to correct somebody who says they were there and you weren't?were u there??? did u investigate? did u investigate TH in May 93?