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[Storm]

good queston pagoda, Was there any other "x" marks on the other boys?

[Storm]

another thing I ws thinking about the x, If they hit him with the butt of the knife, could have been a screw on the bottom, that the top of the screw made the impression?? Just something that came to mind.

[MsBiznMphs]

Or a Phillip's head screwdriver.  That's just wild speculation, but it could have been anything as has already been said.

[Fwarm]

good queston pagoda, Was there any other "x" marks on the other boys?

I don't know of any or heard of any.

I always, and its just speculation, thought that it could be from a stick or small tree branch that has been broken. If you ever broke a walking stick in the woods sometimes the center or heart of the branch or stick will stick out like a point because it breaks at a different length then the outer wood and it can break into different shapes an X is stretching it but it would not have to be an X to make that mark. I may not be making sense but a jagged ended stick jabbed/stabbed down could easily make that mark and it is about the circumference of a hand size stick that you would use as a weapon. Not to upset anyone but it’s almost as if it was an attempt to poke the eye with a stick to me but missed.

That make any sense?

[Fwarm]

another thing I ws thinking about the x, If they hit him with the butt of the knife, could have been a screw on the bottom, that the top of the screw made the impression?? Just something that came to mind.

Most of those survival knives either have a rounded compass end now if the plastic was broken off it would have a stud sticking out that the compass needle sits on.


This was your typical 5 to 10 dollar survival knife that was popular around that time:



A look at the compass not the same knife but similar

[pagodajade]

Well with the x looking thing, I thought if there was one x, there would be more.  I mean, if I was gonna stab someone with something, I would do it more than one time.

I dont think it was a stick, but it is possible.  I looked at the sticks retrieved and only one looked that small at the end.  And the wound is not a perfect x, you see its kinda squished?, so that rules out a screwdriver or a stud on a belt buckle.

No, thats def not a bite mark though.  I keep looking at that x, theres something, I cant think of what and its been bothering me since yesterday, something that I have seen recently that would make a mark like that.

But for someone who has seen the autopsy photos, maybe they would know if there were anymore x marks, or also completely round wounds(or half moon like this one.)



Sorry my mind is running 90 miles an hour.

[MsBiznMphs]

I agree that there should be more than 1 like this if he was stabbed by something like a screwdriver.  I know I am completely contradicting what I said, bit I did say that it could be anything. Probably just some weird coincidence that it looks like an x or you would see more than 1.  Also, I would think if you stabbed someone with something as sharp and narrow as a screwdriver, it would more than likely penetrate deeper than that. 

[MsBiznMphs]

Update with real life example, unfortunately. 

Since I posted last, I was in the bathroom about to take a towel out of the linen closet.  There is a very large towel hook hanging next to the linen closet and for some reason I grabbed onto the hook as I opened the door (like maybe I thought I needed to hang onto it for reason, I have no idea why).  Apparently the screw that holds it to the hardware screwed into the wall was loose and it came flying off and beamed me in the face. 

My point is that I now have a perfect v-shaped gash above my lip and there is nothing v-shaped about that towel hook.  I was hit with a smooth, rounded part.  SO, I will not be making any more wild speculations about what could have caused that x-shaped mark.  Could have been any damn thing. 

[Farm]

He's lying on his back, and you are looking at his face.

[MachaSidhe]

Wasn't there something about half moon shaped wounds on someone else. Maybe on Chris?

Guess anything could have caused that X.

Macha

[Rugs]

Macha,

Wasn't there something about half moon shaped wounds on someone else. Maybe on Chris?

Yes.

From Peretti's testimony at the E/B trial:

I also performed an autopsy on the body of Christopher Byers. The height and weight of Christopher Byers was he weighed 52 pounds, was 48 inches tall. He was also bound at the time that I performed the autopsy. Let me describe to you in what fashion he was bound. The right wrist was bound to the right ankle with a black shoelace, and the left wrist was bound to the left ankle with a white shoelace. Well, Christopher also had head injuries, neck injuries, genital-anal injuries, right leg injuries, left leg injuries, back injuries, right arm injuries -- right arm injuries, and left arm injuries. (TR 1842)

59C is a facial photograph. Here you see there are abrasions. But also note that you can see here and here you have a pattern type injury. See this curvy, linear or half moon, these little round areas right here. These round areas have the appearance of like a stud on a buckle, one of those round studs, and sort of bell shaped here under the nose.

[MachaSidhe]

ah thanks Rugs.

so Stevie and Chris both had these similar wounds , without the X on Chris but both on the face. 

I need to read up on something-

Macha



 

[Storm]

And the pic is zoomed like, i think it was pagoda that mentioned that first, and the x mark is really small. Also the round part of the cut on the top is on the actual forehead part of the bone, it had to be something blunt i think.

[Kanga]

I don't know of any or heard of any.

I always, and its just speculation, thought that it could be from a stick or small tree branch that has been broken. If you ever broke a walking stick in the woods sometimes the center or heart of the branch or stick will stick out like a point because it breaks at a different length then the outer wood and it can break into different shapes an X is stretching it but it would not have to be an X to make that mark. I may not be making sense but a jagged ended stick jabbed/stabbed down could easily make that mark and it is about the circumference of a hand size stick that you would use as a weapon. Not to upset anyone but it’s almost as if it was an attempt to poke the eye with a stick to me but missed.

That make any sense?

It does make sense to me and that's why I said what I did earlier in the thread.  Let's call a branch a stick and vice versa. As you said Scott, I don't want to upset anyone either but considering where the murders occurred, considering what was naturally available and at the killers disposal, considering the killers intentions (I don't want to clarify this publicly for obvious reasons), the clothing that was wrapped around branches/sticks and stuck in the mud under the water...it makes sense      

[ethoma1]

What about the heel of an army boot???