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[Barbarossa4122]

Yep, will do.

[taylorjaysmommy]

Barbarossa, you sound like me.  I refuse to actually 'pay' for anything that might put a few pennies in his pocket.  I have checked all of it out at the public library, including the PL videos.  I never even had a library card before then, as I bought from bookstores.  He will never see one of my pennies.   

[Barbarossa4122]

$11.50 at ebay but they are all from England. $14.50 at amazon I ll think about it.

[taylorjaysmommy]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, don't you dare buy that book !!  Get it from the LIBRARY !!   Go and put a reserve or hold on it.  It will eventually come in and then you can go pick it up.   I know that the New York library has to have everything, so they have to have that piece of garbage too.   

Just think of what else you can buy with that $11.50.     Seriously.   

[Barbarossa4122]

Ok, I won't

[cewatson]

And he spells "magic" as "magick" I wonder what thats all about??

That's a spelling used by Wiccans, which he identified himself as. Devil worshipping is not involved in the Wiccan religion.

[sheer]

Damien said he was into demonlogy, is that wiccan?


sheer

[taylorjaysmommy]

Damien said he was into demonlogy, is that wiccan?


sheer

I would not think so.  I think that Wiccans worship the earth and earthly things.  People that are into demonology........I would think that they are worshiping demons, or trying to become one.  That's just my taking a stab at a guess though.

[Mary7875]

Damien said he was into demonology


sheer

He sure did.

But not satanism.  Makes all the difference in the world...to supporters.

[Farm]

He was probably just "messing with heads" when he claimed to be into demonology.

Just like he was when he claimed to be a Satanist.

Just remember the simple supporter rule - if a convict says anything which supports the Prosecution's case - you can't take them seriously.

This logic is best obtained by a self inflicted blow to the head with a blunt object.

Then all you have to do is break out your checkbook.

[Sherry]

And he spells "magic" as "magick" I wonder what thats all about??

That's a spelling used by Wiccans, which he identified himself as. Devil worshipping is not involved in the Wiccan religion.

I'd be more inclined to think that he spelled it that way because of Aleister Crowley....since he was his biggest fan and all...

magick as described by Aleister Crowley, a British occultist.

"The Anglo-Saxon k in Magick, like most of Crowley's conceits, is a means of indicating the kind of magic which he performed. K is the eleventh letter of several alphabets, and eleven is the principal number of magick, because it is the number attributed to the Qliphoth - the underworld of demonic and chaotic forces that have to be conquered before magick can be performed. K has other magical implications: it corresponds to the power or shakti aspect of creative energy, for k is the ancient Egyptian khu, the magical power. Specifically, it stands for kteis (vagina), the complement to the wand (or phallus) which is used by the Magician in certain aspects of the Great Work."[2]

Since the time of Crowley's writing about magick, many different spiritual and occult traditions have adopted the spelling with the terminal -k, but have redefined what it means to some degree. For many modern occultists, it refers strictly to paranormal magic, which involves influencing events and physical phenomena by supernatural, mystical, or paranormal means.

[cewatson]

And he spells "magic" as "magick" I wonder what thats all about??

That's a spelling used by Wiccans, which he identified himself as. Devil worshipping is not involved in the Wiccan religion.

I'd be more inclined to think that he spelled it that way because of Aleister Crowley....since he was his biggest fan and all...

magick as described by Aleister Crowley, a British occultist.

"The Anglo-Saxon k in Magick, like most of Crowley's conceits, is a means of indicating the kind of magic which he performed. K is the eleventh letter of several alphabets, and eleven is the principal number of magick, because it is the number attributed to the Qliphoth - the underworld of demonic and chaotic forces that have to be conquered before magick can be performed. K has other magical implications: it corresponds to the power or shakti aspect of creative energy, for k is the ancient Egyptian khu, the magical power. Specifically, it stands for kteis (vagina), the complement to the wand (or phallus) which is used by the Magician in certain aspects of the Great Work."[2]

Since the time of Crowley's writing about magick, many different spiritual and occult traditions have adopted the spelling with the terminal -k, but have redefined what it means to some degree. For many modern occultists, it refers strictly to paranormal magic, which involves influencing events and physical phenomena by supernatural, mystical, or paranormal means.

I don't recall him claiming to be his biggest fan at all.
Or that he studies demonology.
Could you direct me to the documents that support this?
Thanks.

[Sherry]

Summary of Damien Echols’ mental health history


5/5/92.  Arkansas Dept. of Human Services:  Damien is in need of counseling and evaluation due to family history of sexual abuse to younger sister; behavioral problems related to lack of respect for authority/others.

5/7/92.  E. Arkansas Mental Health Center:  Client admits to having been suspended seven times this past semester for initiating fights at school and starting fires.  States in one fight he almost gouged out the victim’s eyes.

Clinical report based on psychological tests:  The behavior of this youngster is characterized by impulsive hostility...the desire to gain power and demean others springs from animosity and a wish to vindicate past grievances.  This teenager believes that past degradations may be undone by provoking fear and intimidation in others.  Cool and distant, this youth demonstrates little or no compassion for others. 

6/1/92 - 6/25/92.  Committed to Charter Hospital of Little Rock:  Admits to a history of violence and attempting to scratch out the eyes of a classmate.  There were major concerns that Damien was exhibiting disturbed thinking.  He has a history of extreme physical aggression toward others.  It was felt that he needed to be temporarily removed from his environment to provide protection for him and protection for others. 

Damien states, “I burn myself with lighters.  I have huffed gas and paint, used speed, marijuana, glue, and alcohol.”

9/2/92 - 9/4/92.  Committed to St. Vincent’s Hospital in Oregon:  Suicidal, threatening family, drug use.  Parental concerns regarding satanism, devil worship. 

Emergency Room report:  The patient denies suicidal or homicidal ideation at this time.  However, in talking with the family members, they state that he made it quite clear that he had thought of harming other people, i.e. was going to cut the throat of his mother and has said so in the past, and also made verbal threats to his father here at St. Vincent’s Hospital.

Admission Diagnosis:  Suicidal/homicidal ideation.

Mother and father state that he has sniffed propane, glue, gasoline and almost any other drug that is possible, but he denies that, especially over the last four years.

Physician’s Progress Report:  Because of Damien’s threats, both parents do not feel that they wish to have him return to their home.  They are frightened of him and what he can do, not only to them but to the other children who reside in the home (2 others).  Damien is to return to Arkansas by bus.

9/14/92 - 9/28/92.  Readmitted to Charter Hospital:  Damien reportedly threatened to kill and eat his father while in Oregon.  He admitted to sucking the blood out of a peer’s neck.

9/92 Progress notes:  Belief in devil worship, has agreed to threatening to “kill” others.  Bizarre behaviors.  Stated he had attempted suicide before and “wasn’t worried about trying again, because I know I can come back.”

Peers complaining of Damien making growling sounds at them.

Damien continuing to make bizarre sounds around peers, but where staff can’t hear him.  Continues talk of satanism.

Continues laughing strangely and getting peers to feed into his satanism.  Tries to keep staff from seeing him do anything other than what’s appropriate according to unit guidelines. Sneaky behavior, depressed mood, bizarre behavior.

Diagnosis:  Psychotic Disorder.

1/5/93.  Mental Health Center reopens case:  Reports self-mutilation, cutting self with knives.  Will “trance out” since 5th grade - doesn’t have to deal with what’s going on.  Says he thinks a lot about life after death--”I want to go where the monsters go.”  He admits being caught with satanic items, but denies cult involvement.

Is interested in witchcraft for the past 8 years.  He has tried to steal energy from someone else and influence others’ mind with witchcraft.  Describes self as “pretty much hates the human race.”  Relates that he feels people are in two classes--sheep and wolves (wolves eat the sheep).

1/13/93:  Damien reports that he’s very angry with family members and with other people who have “let him down”.  He discussed issues of power & control.  He states that he could make things happen. Affect and mood was flat. 

1/19/93:  Reveals history of abuse as he talked of how he was treated as a child.  States, “I just put it all inside.”  Describes this as more than just anger - like rage.  Sometimes he does “blow up.”  Relates that when this happens, the only solution is to “hurt someone.”  When questioned on his feelings he states, “I know I’m going to influence the world.  People will remember me.”

1/20/93:  Damien is an 18 year old, recently discharged from Charter Hospital.  He’s had three psychiatric hospitalizations.  Each has been associated with anger, thoughts of killing others, and thoughts of killing himself.

1/25/93:  Speaks of rituals, drinking blood, more involved in demonology.  Damien explained that he obtains his power by drinking blood of others.  He typically drinks the blood of a sexual partner or of a ruling partner.  This is achieved by biting or cutting.  He states, “It makes me feel like a god.”


Damien describes drinking blood as giving him more power and strength.  He remembers doing this as far back as age 10.  He wants very much to be all powerful.  He wants very much to be in total control. 

Damien relates that a spirit is now living with him.  The spirit was put inside him last year.  He indicates that a month ago, the spirit decided to become part of him and he to become part of the spirit.  This is reportedly a spirit of a woman who was killed by her husband.  In addition, he also reports conversations with demons and other spirits.  This is achieved through rituals. 

He denies that he’s satanic, seeing himself more as being involved in demonology.

2/5/93:  Damien is noted to have cuts on his right arm and hand.  Related that he cut himself as a way of permanently marking his skin.  Related feeling very angry yesterday  when running into previous girlfriend.  “I controlled it - I can do anything.”

5/5/93:  At times he is impulsive and does things that may be harmful to him.  He has impulses to do strange and harmful things.

5/5/93:  Christopher Byers, Steve Branch, and Michael Moore are murdered.       

[cewatson]

I don't see anything to back this up. You didn't even put where it came from.

[kerriew]

It's in the 500 at Callahan's. Why don't you try reading there first instead of basing your opinion on the mocumentaries? Damien was a fucking psycho. Certified too