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[baxter04]

Okay, so I watched Revelations again today and once again,  they went to the crime scene area at one point,  and there was a concrete, broken down building- or whatever it was .. with satanic graffiti on the cement structure.   

Was that done after the crime or was it there before?   I am just curious about all the people claiming that the community was in hysteria about a fake satanic cult for no other reasons than local gossip & black t-shirts, listening to Metalicca,,,  I mean, if that graffiti had been up BEFORE the murder - it would seem that those concerns were warranted, right?

By the way, I was a teen back then - and I wore the whole grunge look back then - the Doc Marten black combat boots and all.,, I listened to rock music, too.  So,  I do NOT associate the way they dressed or the music they listened to with the satanism.  Nor do I necessarily believe this was a ritualistic killing -- I just think that it's not far fetched to believe that this was some sort of disorganized sacrifice.   

I mean when Dr. Woods evaluated Damiens psych ward records,  there were accounts of Damien talking about how drinking blood gives you power.  And someone in the facility witnessed Damien licking the blood off of another inmates open cut.  So, that fits in with that theme, too. 

So, I guess I am a little conflicted on the WHY'S of the murder... but,  I am interested in why that graffiti was there and when it was put there.  Or maybe my eyes deceieved me and it wasn't satanic in nature?!?!  Lord knows I don't want to sit through that again anytime soon.  It's emotionally draining to watch.

[herb4]

Okay, so I watched Revelations again today and once again,  they went to the crime scene area at one point,  and there was a concrete, broken down building- or whatever it was .. with satanic graffiti on the cement structure.   

Was that done after the crime or was it there before?   I am just curious about all the people claiming that the community was in hysteria about a fake satanic cult for no other reasons than local gossip & black t-shirts, listening to Metalicca,,,  I mean, if that graffiti had been up BEFORE the murder - it would seem that those concerns were warranted, right?

By the way, I was a teen back then - and I wore the whole grunge look back then - the Doc Marten black combat boots and all.,, I listened to rock music, too.  So,  I do NOT associate the way they dressed or the music they listened to with the satanism.  Nor do I necessarily believe this was a ritualistic killing -- I just think that it's not far fetched to believe that this was some sort of disorganized sacrifice.   

I mean when Dr. Woods evaluated Damiens psych ward records,  there were accounts of Damien talking about how drinking blood gives you power.  And someone in the facility witnessed Damien licking the blood off of another inmates open cut.  So, that fits in with that theme, too. 

So, I guess I am a little conflicted on the WHY'S of the murder... but,  I am interested in why that graffiti was there and when it was put there.  Or maybe my eyes deceieved me and it wasn't satanic in nature?!?!  Lord knows I don't want to sit through that again anytime soon.  It's emotionally draining to watch.

Graffiti = evidence?

This is the smoking gun/case breaker for you? If I believed all the graffiti I read growing up, I'd still be under the assumption that "Janet sucks big cocks" and "Marty is a Fag."

What makes you think this was a Satanic murder? Even the founders of this board don't think that. To answer your question: I think it's obvious that the graffiti was there prior to the murders. Don't base your opinion on this case solely on what you see in Paradise Lost. Most people here will tell you that also.

[Farm]

What makes you think this was a Satanic murder? Even the founders of this board don't think that.

Not true.

I believe the twisted beliefs of the WM3 had a hand in their actions.

I just don't believe it was a "ritualistic sacrafice".

To answer your question: I think it's obvious that the graffiti was there prior to the murders

Do tell?

I mean, surely you have something to base this on?

You wouldn't be pulling a "boohiss" on us,  and contridicting someone with "because I said so" as your only means of backing it up?

[baxter04]

Graffiti = evidence?

This is the smoking gun/case breaker for you? If I believed all the graffiti I read growing up, I'd still be under the assumption that "Janet sucks big cocks" and "Marty is a Fag."

What makes you think this was a Satanic murder? Even the founders of this board don't think that. To answer your question: I think it's obvious that the graffiti was there prior to the murders. Don't base your opinion on this case solely on what you see in Paradise Lost. Most people here will tell you that also.

Wooooo there.  Did I ever say that graffiti was evidence?  I don't think so. Will this sway my opinion of their guilt or innocence? Definitely NOT.  I don't think a motive ever has to be proven to prove guilt.

But, yes, I think that if there was satanic graffiti there--- that would mean the satanic cult rumors would have foundation to them,..not this mass hysteria of convoluted, deep south, christian mentality that started these baseless rumors, like supporters would like us to believe.

I never said I believed it was a satanic murder, either.  I said it MIGHT be possible that it was some disorganized sacrifice killing.   The reason I think that might be one POSSIBLE "motive" is due to Damien's psychiatric evaluation where he talks about drinking blood to gain power.

I have no clue what motivated these kids to do this.  I don't have a clue why many people do the things that they do. 

I just wanted clarity on whether that satanic graffiti was there before the murders occured ---- because like I said,  this would led any rational person to believe there was some foundation for the community to believe that some sort of satanic activity was going down than just gossip mill rumors. 

[baxter04]

Oh and by the way,  I haven't based my opinions solely on the documentaries because if I had, I would probably be one of the sheep who herd along believing they are innocent due to things left out of the documentaries.  I have read plenty of documents on Callahans site. 

and I have read over the BS on wm3.org

So my opinions aren't based on those ridiculous documentaries, as they don't show that Jessie confessed THREE times, the last time with his lawyers listening in... and that Damien and Jessie both failed their polygraphs .. then shortly after Jessie learned he failed his polygraph, he confessed. 

The documentaries omitted those facts.   I had to find them on my own.

His lawyers did NOT want him to confess the third time and tried to discourage him but Jessie was adamant that he wanted to --- it's all transcribed on callahan's...I I am sure you know that though-- you just refuse to open your eyes.

I might believe a coerced confession - had there only been ONE but there were THREE.

 Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.  Fool me three times.... just kill me because I am worthless.

[sunshinekitty1]

Baxter,  Do you have a picture/screencap of the building you are talking about?  I rewatched the docs last summer, but I don't remember what you are talking about. 

I'm not familiar with a concrete structure at the crime scene, the Blue Beacon was the closest building.  If I could see a picture I could probably tell you where it was.

More than likely any satanic grafitti was there before the crimes.  There are a lot of pictures of grafitti areas in the evidence files.  There are also pictures of animal bones in areas where rif-raf used to gather. 

Here are a few places off the top of my head where I know there was grafitti - Underneath the interstate overpasses, Stonehenge, down by the train tracks near the river close to I-55, by the Lakeshore trailer park, by the trailer park that's across the street from Lakeshore that I can't think of the name of right now, on an abandoned car, in the gym of this old abandoned private school.   

[Rudder]

Do you have a picture/screencap of the building you are talking about?

Without knowing for sure, I think he's referring to "Stonehenge".

It's been a while since I've seen "Revelations", but his description sounds like "Stonehenge" to me.

Someone please post pics of the "Damien Sucks" graffiti, I'll make it my screensaver.

[sunshinekitty1]

This is a picture of Stonehenge:

http://wm3hoax.downonthefarm.org/board/index.php?topic=849.0

There isn't a place to post pictures, so the threads just get buried and forgotten. 

[mikespadre]

There was not a bldg. around or near the crime scene that had ANY sort of satanic drawings/writing.  Sunshinekitty is correct the only place that had anything close to it would have been lake shore trailer park where jason and domini lived or across the interstate at Highland trailer park where Jesse lived.   the overpass she is talking about was right between those two trailer parks the other place was stonehenge which was a few miles west of Marion out in the country.  Now he could be talking about the old Mayfair apt. which at that time 95-96 or later could have had gang symbols spray painted on them but Im not sure.   
And as to this satanic panic crap I keep hearing it simply did not exist that is just made up bull shit that never happened  Hell I even read somewhere that citizens where pulling people from their cars...come on lets be real for a minute and think about how  stupid that sounds. 

[baxter04]

Okay, I guess I am talking about stonehenge, I did not know how to explain it.  It looks like a broken down building or like someone was going to build a building... whatever,  ..anyway I  did find pictures via callahans -- which sent me to a photobucket where someone posted stills from the documentaries.

There is one with a pentagram on it:



Here is one that reads, "satan"



And you asked for the pix that states, "Damien sucks dick"... ask and you shall receive --

[baxter04]

This is a picture of Stonehenge:

http://wm3hoax.downonthefarm.org/board/index.php?topic=849.0

There isn't a place to post pictures, so the threads just get buried and forgotten. 

Oops, ..Should I not have posted those pix?  I am sorry.  I really didn't know where to post my question - in the first place. I debated about it.  I am sorry, I guess I should have used the "media" section, maybe? 

Well, whoever moderates can move my thread or delete the pictures, if I messed up.  I apologize, I really did try to think of the best place for this question and thought this might be an appropriate thread division for it since it pertains to whether there really was cause for the community to think Satanism was active where they live. ..but I dunno?

I am female - by the way.  Baxter is one of my dogs names.

[sunshinekitty1]

No Baxter, Thanks for posting those pictures.  I was talking about me posting pictures of local stuff, I usually just start a thread when I post a new picture a few people see it and then it gets pushed back to the 2nd and 3rd pages.  I don't see anything wrong with you posting pictures (unless someone tries to say they are theirs and to take them down or something.)

Most of my pictures are in the Investigation section, because they are pictures of places mentioned during the investigation.  But Farm if you make a place for pictures I'll go take some more - and they'll even be with a real camera and not my cell phone.  :laugh:


Stonehenge was the ruins of an old cotton gin.  It's not there anymore, it was torn down to build a new neighborhood. I've only seen two pictues of it, the one I posted in the other thread and one that I saw in a newspaper clipping, and I can't remember where I saw that at. 

So I really can't tell you for sure where the pentagram picture is, without seeing the surroundings.  The Damien sucks pic looks like it's from underneath the I-55 overpass that Mikespadre and I mentioned.  It's right by the entrance to Lakeshore.