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[vanpet]

Hello,
I spoke with a close friend that works for the waste water department. He said that he has seen graffiti in the (manhole) sewer systems here in my neck of the woods in Arkansas. He also stated that whoever the idiot was that did this took a big risk, because there usually is a high methane gas level. Before his crew goes into a manhole they have to use equipment to test the levels to properly protect themselves. I asked about burning something in one, would that be possible? He said highly unlike, because of the "methane" gas. He said a lit cigarette or a dropped match could cause an explosion. Only an idiot would take a risk like that.  He said if he wasnt mistaken two Memphis waste water crew members died in the 90's from methane exposure. Its very toxic. The manholes and the underground sewer systems are controlled by the Waste water department in West Memphis. My friend said that when he is oncall that he keeps with him in his company truck the entire layout of the city here in case of an emergency call. I hope this may have helped you guys.
Have a good evening.
Vanpet

[nats]

could be? I'm thinking about the missing trenchcoats and thinking if they didn't burn them , they had to have gotten rid of them somewhere ya know..

It is suspicious that Echols and Co were seen all the time with these coats but after the murders what happened to them?

Macha

I would like to know what happened to Damien's trench coat.
Acording to "Blood of Innocence", when police siezed evidence from his trailer, they missed the coat which, acording to Damien, was in plain view.
Apparenty, (and still, acording to the book) Fogleman was quite pissed off about it.
That's the last I heard of it. So, what happened to that coat?
Also, wasnt there some discussion about 2 knives being used in the murders?
Jessie said he saw a "folding type" knife. It' was known that Damien had knives, and carried one in his trench coat.
One other thing, I would like to know, what caused the patern abrasion on Chris Byer's forhead (please correct me if I have the wrong victim). At first, I
thought it could be the butt of the lake knife. But after looking at the photos of the knife, there isnt anything on it to account for the "X" shaped mark
in the center of the wound. I also dont see anything in the autopsy report that mentions the "X" mark (maybe it's there, but I'm missing it?)
It's been a long time since ive read all these documents, I am tring to brush-up on it in my spare time. So please, if im wrong about something, refresh
my memory.

[sunshinekitty1]

Nobody knows what happened to the trench coat.

It was Stevie Branch that had the mark on his forehead and the theory brought forth by attorneys working for the 3 is that the mark was left by turtles or some other type of creature.

[nats]

Nobody knows what happened to the trench coat.

It was Stevie Branch that had the mark on his forehead and the theory brought forth by attorneys working for the 3 is that the mark was left by turtles or some other type of creature.

Thanks for correcting me. I couldnt remember, and was to lazy to look it up!  :-[

But waite a second. We are talking about the same patern abraision arent we? I assume you have seen the photo on Callahan. Are you saying they think that injury was caused
by "turtles" or someother creature, (namely Damien and Jason!!!!). What about that little "X" in the center of the wound? Turtles??!!!
I dont disbelieve you at all, so please dont read me wrong, but can you steer me to that document with a link or something? I would be greatful.

[nats]

Just one other thing (no, I'm not doing a Columbo imitation!! ;) ).
I thought Fogelman did a pretty good demo of how the serrated side of the lake knive was
consistent with some of the injuries (the famous grapefruit demo!!).
I know it was not conclusive, but can a turtle mimic that type of broken pattern?
Or was the turtle using a serrated edge knife?

[BlackAngel]

Nats

I would like to know what happened to Damien's trench coat.

Supposedly it was on the floor of his sisters bedroom, the thing is Jason's coat was missing too.

Jan

[Icky Twerp]

There's always some wishy-washy supporter bluffing on the coats.

Supporters: It was on the floor of Damien's room! The cops (psst conspiracy!!!) simply ignored it.

Anyone else: Where is it now?

Supporters: WTF! Does it matter? They are teh i|\|noc3nt!!!!

Didn't Baldwin's brother claim to have Jason's at one point but back down on that statement later?

[BlackAngel]

Icky

Didn't Baldwin's brother claim to have Jason's at one point but back down on that statement later?

Yes he did claim too have it, and supposedly Jessie had one too coincidence that none of them were found I think not.

Jan

[DogIsYourName]

I don't see the trench coat on the list of items for seizure in the search warrant.

That could explain why the police never seized it.

[sunshinekitty1]

Nats, Sorry, I just saw your question, must have overlooked it.  Yes, I have seen the photograph on Callahan's site.  I have also been to the West Memphis PD evidence room and have seen all of the photographs in the files, which will never be posted online. 

Photograph #4 B is an extreme[] close up with the words “potential bite mark evidence” written on the photograph. This is consistent with my opinion that this is postmortem bite mark activity left by animals more likely than not, turtle activity or some other aquatic animal. None of the marks on the face of Steve Branch in my opinion are consistent with having been caused by a serrated knife.

This is from pg. 89 of the Defense habeas corpus writ available to download here: http://wm3hoax.downonthefarm.org/board/index.php?topic=891.0

The surrounding pages talk about animals too, but I just clicked on find "turtles" and that was the first thing that popped up.  They also go into detail during the press conference they had back in the fall.  I just can't picture a swarm of vicious turtles without anyone noticing. 

[nats]

Nats, Sorry, I just saw your question, must have overlooked it.  Yes, I have seen the photograph on Callahan's site.  I have also been to the West Memphis PD evidence room and have seen all of the photographs in the files, which will never be posted online. 

Photograph #4 B is an extreme[] close up with the words “potential bite mark evidence” written on the photograph. This is consistent with my opinion that this is postmortem bite mark activity left by animals more likely than not, turtle activity or some other aquatic animal. None of the marks on the face of Steve Branch in my opinion are consistent with having been caused by a serrated knife.

This is from pg. 89 of the Defense habeas corpus writ available to download here: http://wm3hoax.downonthefarm.org/board/index.php?topic=891.0

The surrounding pages talk about animals too, but I just clicked on find "turtles" and that was the first thing that popped up.  They also go into detail during the press conference they had back in the fall.  I just can't picture a swarm of vicious turtles without anyone noticing. 

Thanks for that info. I will read it when time permits.

Does anyone else want to know how turtles could have made that little "X" pattern besides me?
I'm going crazy trying to get my head around this idea.
Q: was Stevie's body found face down in the muddy ditch bottom? Also, wasnt Chris found this way? I can not remember the possition
of the bodies, even though I know I have read the reports more than once (age is a terrible thing!!)  :-[

[BlackAngel]

Nats

Does anyone else want to know how turtles could have made that little "X" pattern besides me?
I'm going crazy trying to get my head around this idea.

That "x" bothers me too, I always thought it could be from a belt buckle but I can't say for sure, I don't think it was a turtle. Plus the fact that a turtles mouth is oval shaped, it doesn't make sense, I have been bitten by a dog and a lizard, the dogs canine teeth go in first, so it looks like  sharp fangs, a lizard has little sharp teeth that left an oval bite mark on my wrist. But there was never anything in the middle of the bite. 

Jan

[nats]

Nats

Does anyone else want to know how turtles could have made that little "X" pattern besides me?
I'm going crazy trying to get my head around this idea.

That "x" bothers me too, I always thought it could be from a belt buckle but I can't say for sure, I don't think it was a turtle. Plus the fact that a turtles mouth is oval shaped, it doesn't make sense, I have been bitten by a dog and a lizard, the dogs canine teeth go in first, so it looks like  sharp fangs, a lizard has little sharp teeth that left an oval bite mark on my wrist. But there was never anything in the middle of the bite. 

Jan

Jan I always thought it could have been caused by a belt buckle too. Something man-made, and used to strike the victim.
A bite of any kind is unusual on the boney forehead area above the eye. So for now, my theory is the patern abraision was caused by some readily available item striking
Stevie in the forehead. That area of the forehead also has a slight curve (not a flat surface). At one time, I considered the butt of the "lake knife", but have since
changed my mind about that. The patern doesnt seem to match up with any of the evidence items seized from any of the 3 convicts. If it was caused by a stick, I
sure would like to see a close-up detail of that stick!

[DogIsYourName]

Turtles have beaks.  I got bit by one and it left an "x" wound.  Basically, it just pinched my skin very hard.  But I still
doubt that a turtle made that mark.

[nats]

Turtles have beaks.  I got bit by one and it left an "x" wound.  Basically, it just pinched my skin very hard.  But I still
doubt that a turtle made that mark.

Yeah, a friend of mine had the tip of one of his fingers bitten off by a snapping turtle (that's gotta smart!!!) and we used to tease him
because he was foolish enough to try to pet it. I guess he learned, snapping turtles dont like to be pet!!  :laugh: