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[Kimbo]

Yeah, these guys are treated like pop stars.

Sickening.

[sheer]

Hey TJM,

You aren't alone. I'm anti DP.

I understand the arguments for the DP, I just don't agree with it.

If we Nons continue to argue that Echols was incredibly mentally disturbed, then how can we justify executing him?

I know this opinion won't be popular...........at all.

but pah.

sheer

[taylorjaysmommy]

Whew!  I am so glad that 'you' said that.  Thank You!!  Not that I would care if someones job was to horsewhip him or shove bamboo underneath his fingernails or other painful things for the rest of his life , I do have a little problem with his mental issues and the dp though. 

[baxter04]

Keep your two cents in, TJM!

This thread is all welcome discussion.

I think the DP, as aforesaid, is a neccesary evil.

We can't - in any gene pool - let rampants go unchecked.

I won't dance over Damien, but I sure as hell won't cry either. I'll be relieved.

I agree with your comments,

Kimbo

I agree with that.  I definitely won't feel overjoyed when/if he does get executed.  Like I said, I've watched my fair share of trials on CourtTv (TruTv now).. and live streamed on the internet.  Even when someone is sentenced to live in prison w/o parole... it is sad.  Another life thrown away and wasted, but the convicted person made their bed and have to lay in it.   Justice never brings back the people who died and suffered --- it only keeps others safe from the perps.

I will not be sad when Damien dies.  Not one bit.  It's not just his original crime --- the murder of three children -- but his re-victimization of the family members of the dead ever since.. and his crazed fan clubs that are all over the internet begging people to donate money to try to get his sorry butt out of jail.   Anyway --- sorry for my rant.

I respect the opinion of others who are anti-death penalty..  I took that stance for many years, but not any more.  Not after researching such vile people like - Joseph Duncan (that man is my #1 most hated person in the world).. John Couey, Richard Allen Davis, Richard Ramirez and Charles Ng... and of course, Damien Echols.

Anyway -- I guess no one has any idea how long it will be before his appeals run out?!? I guess it is hard to determine that fact.. since his lawyers seem to file appeal after appeal to keep his execution at bay.

Thanks for the responses..  ;)

[Farm]

It's not just his original crime --- the murder of three children -- but his re-victimization of the family members of the dead ever since..

Amen!

[DogIsYourName]

If you are 100% convinced the WM3 did it, then I can't understand why the death penalty would sadden you.  In fact, it's irrational.

Here you have, presumably, three murderers who have lied for years about what happened.  All of you believe that they sat by as parents were accused and people's good intentions were wasted on a false cause.  With exception of Jessie, none of them ever took any responsibility for these murders, and have steadfastly denied involvement. 

If you believe they fully intended to take three lives away, then why should we, as a society, forgive someone who does not even seek forgiveness, and who further componds their debt to society with more lies and misdirection?  That is not justice.

[Kimbo]

Not feeling overjoyed does not mean the same as being saddened, Dog.

Once again, unsurprisingly, you twist things to fit your own rhetoric.

It's a shame you don't understand the nuances of this topic.

Kimbo

[DogIsYourName]

Poor Kimbo.  While I did get the general sense from your post that you were saddened by the reality of the punishment (for example, your dog analogy), I wasn't addressing you specifically.  If I was calling you out specifically I would've made it clear, like this:

it still isn’t pleasant, not something that you get joy over.

I will take things one step further and say enforcing justice is, in fact, quite pleasant.  Here's why:  The pursuit of truth is a higher goal that connects all of us.  Fulfulling that goal by attaining the truth pleases us.  Justice validates the truth, indicating our society has attained the common goal of truth.  Therefore, it pleases me to see justice carried out (i.e., it is pleasant). 

Something tells me, if you think about it you will agree with me.  Isn't "relief" a pleasant feeling?

[sheer]

It's not irrational at all, far from it.

The pursuit of truth is a higher goal that connects all of us.

No, it isn't.  Most people aren't interested in the 'truth.' (Whatever that might be)

Fulfulling that goal by attaining the truth pleases us.  Justice validates the truth, indicating our society has attained the common goal of truth.

 

It’s wholly irrational to think that the search for “truth” unites a nation where the majority believe that some higher being sits in the sky looking at all of us every day. They believe that on faith, not truth.

Justice doesn’t validate truth ffs. Both concepts are subject to human interpretation. What’s your “truth”, is not my “truth”. What you believe is “justice”, I believe is “vengeful retribution”.
Interpretation is not a truth.

Therefore, it pleases me to see justice carried out (i.e., it is pleasant).

Does it please you to see "justice" carried out in the name of "truth" in China, Iran and Darfur?

If you believe they fully intended to take three lives away, then why should we, as a society, forgive someone who does not even seek forgiveness, and who further componds their debt to society with more lies and misdirection?  That is not justice

My truth:
Damien was mentally ill.
Damien is a natural egomaniac.
Supporters have fed that ego for years.
They made him a celebrity, they created his innocence and he believed it, he went past the point of giving it up because he had FANS.

Truth: Supporters are partially accountable for Damien's persistant lying about his involvement in this murder.


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[DogIsYourName]

What’s your “truth”, is not my “truth”.

Then that means one of us is wrong.  There is only one "truth," not multiple versions of it.  If you find a conflict then check your premises -- one of them is wrong. 

And yes, retribution and justice can be one and the same.  After all, the meaning of retribution is "something justly deserved."

I believe we are responsible for our own actions, which apparently is a fundamental difference between you and me.

[DogIsYourName]

Also, maybe the "justice" argument would make more sense to you from this other angle:

Suppose a man is attacking a small child in the woods.  He is raping, beating, and killing the child.  It turns out that the child has a gun in his pocket, so he pulls it out and shoots the man in the face, killing him. 

Wouldn't it be fair, just, etc. that the child did that?  In this case, the state of Arkanas is merely doing what Chris, Stevie, and Michael could not do -- exacting the right of self defense.

[Farm]

In this case, the state of Arkanas is merely doing what Chris, Stevie, and Michael could not do -- exacting the right of self defense.

Self defense?

What an incredible moron.

[sheer]

I believe we are responsible for our own actions,

No, you don't. You believe that the state has ultimate responsibilty for your actions.



sheer

[DogIsYourName]

No, you don't. You believe that the state has ultimate responsibilty for your actions.

???  What does that even mean? You think because the justice system is part of the government, that means criminals are not ultimately responsible for their own actions?  That makes no sense. 

The justice system holds people accountable.  If you have some other way of doing it, I'm all ears.  But without some sort of punisher, then it would be impossible to ensure that people are responsible for their actions.

If you steal an apple, you must give an apple back.  If you intentionally take a life (for no good reason), you must give your life back.  That is being fully responsible for your own actions.  It's pretty simple, isn't it?

[Farm]

So once again you have changed your mind and it's not a matter of self defense.

If you intentionally take a life (for no good reason), you must give your life back.

And when you take three lives?

You let us know when you have the argument you wanna go with on this one.