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[Icky Twerp]

Hmm, I thinking Dog needs to watch Deathwish followed by Ms. 45 although the comparison is fuzzy and cinematic so cut me some slack and it's been awhile since I saw Ms. 45.

[DogIsYourName]

I see Farm still must resort to building a straw man.  When the killer attacked the kids, do you believe the killer deserved to die -- YES OR NO?  When the kids were dead, did the killer deserve to die - YES OR NO?

I have said my piece, and it makes perfect sense.

Farm, Sheer, Miranda et al. -- If you have an argument as to why Life in Prison is more "just" than the death penalty, let's see it.  So far, all you've done is called my position stupid without supporting your own position at all.

[Miranda]

I see Farm still must resort to building a straw man.  When the killer attacked the kids, do you believe the killer deserved to die -- YES OR NO?  When the kids were dead, did the killer deserve to die - YES OR NO?

I have said my piece, and it makes perfect sense.

Farm, Sheer, Miranda et al. -- If you have an argument as to why Life in Prison is more "just" than the death penalty, let's see it.  So far, all you've done is called my position stupid without supporting your own position at all.

Hi Dog,

I would love to see where I have called you or your position 'stupid'?

I think moral issues such as these can basically be reduced to a matter of conscience. 

I happen to think that the taking of a life is repugnant.  I concur that there are some cases that are so highly repugnant that one wants that person's life to cease in the most painful and horrifying way possible.  But I could never suit the action to those words nor allow any other person so to do on my behalf.

Birth, life and death are a natural cycle.  No one human has the right to stand in 'judgment' over another.  However, I do believe in an organized society with laws and mores, which is where courts of law and life sentences fit in.  Anarchy is never a realistic option!

However, where I to be in a position where either I was under threat and it was 'kill or be killed' then so be it.  Similarly, were I to come upon a situation where action was required and I was sure I could distinguish between the 'good guy' and the 'bad guy' then I hope I would have the courage to step in.  Be it later deemed to be self defence or in defence of another is immaterial, however I would not wade in intending to 'kill' the bad guy, merely to stop either the 'attack' or robbery or whatever it was. 

I very definitely do NOT subscribe to the mind set of not wanting to 'get involved'.  I am not the sort to drive straight past a RTA unless police and ambulances etc are already attending.  Nor am I the sort to turn the other way.  Last time I saw a robbery at a cash point  I at least managed to divert the perp, thus slowing him down, and gave chase whilst calling police.  I had tried to trip him up whilst sheltering my nephew with my body.  He was subsequently caught after viewing mug shots for hours and then attending an 'line up'.  It was, in fact, done on video but in the presence of the perp's lawyer.  He was charged and later convicted.

Whether I would have the same feelings of public spirit in the USA or any other country where there is a gun culture I am not so sure.  I rather think I would stand and try to memorize as much detail as possible from a protected position.  But until it happens one does not really know!  Basic instincts take over.

Does that answer your questions?  At least, of me?

Miranda

By the way, with the levels of questionable police activity in some parts, along with later exonerations as a result of DNA evidence, I am even more outraged at a society that enacts the DP.  There can be no possible justification for executing an innocent person.

I am unsure of my views on convicted war crimes.  Maybe the solution there is that they be offered the 'get out' of self administered suicide rather than life, meaning life.  I am pretty certain that Treason over here is still a dp crime.  Possibly, as a 'military brat', war criminals should be shot - but I am still not comfortable with that.  All these years later we look back at the men who were 'shell shocked' in the first WW and summarily dispatched.  Their names are now being added to War Memorials.  Too little too late but better than nothing and at least we are learning and still growing.

[taylorjaysmommy]

  When the killer attacked the kids, do you believe the killer deserved to die -- YES OR NO?  When the kids were dead, did the killer deserve to die - YES OR NO?

When you put it simply like that.......I feel the answers to both are 'yes'.   Actually, when applying that to this specific case, the only thing that is wrong to me is that the word 'killer' should be plural. 


TJM

[Farm]

I have said my piece, and it makes perfect sense.

I'm not at all surprised that you failed to concede your pathetic baseless argument,.... you're an idiot, Dog.

You always have been.

When the killer attacked the kids, do you believe the killer deserved to die -- YES OR NO?

Hey stupid.

We don't have the DP for rape or assualt.

What part of this do you not understand?

However you ARE within your legal rights to use lethal force to defend yourself against physical harm.

Try this next time - work up a valid argument BEFORE you post, that way you won't look so incredibly stupid making it up on the fly.

[sheer]

So far, all you've done is called my position stupid without supporting your own position at all

 
It's apparent that you don't understand the answers Dog.


sheer

[chitown_alex]

I have said my piece, and it makes perfect sense.

I'm not at all surprised that you failed to concede your pathetic baseless argument,.... you're an idiot, Dog.

You always have been.

When the killer attacked the kids, do you believe the killer deserved to die -- YES OR NO?

Hey stupid.

We don't have the DP for rape or assualt.

What part of this do you not understand?

However you ARE within your legal rights to use lethal force to defend yourself against physical harm.

Try this next time - work up a valid argument BEFORE you post, that way you won't look so incredibly stupid making it up on the fly.

Once again you incorrectly state the law Farm.  People don't have the legal right to use "lethal force" all the time.  We have the right to use the force a reasonable person would use.  Lethal force should only be used when it is reasonable to do so, not merely when there is imminent physical harm present.  I take it back, you didn't incorrectly state the law, you just left it a little vague.  My apologies.

[DogIsYourName]

Farm,

I was only asking, "WHAT DID THEY DESERVE?"

I don't need a dissertation on legal rights.  That's not my argument.

While you're at it, how about you take a stab and try to logically explain how "life in prison" is more "just" than the death penalty.  In a 5 page thread, not one of you even wants to try???

[Miranda]

While you're at it try to logically explain how "life in prison" is more "just" than the death penalty.  In a 5 page thread, not one of you even wants to try???

Hi Dog,

If someone is against the DP it is usually on a combination of moral and philosophical grounds plus the dread that it would be possible for an innocent man to be unjustly executed,  Ergo "Not Just". 

Thus, it follows logically that a life sentence without parole, rather than DP, would NOT be "Not Just" and thus be "just".  It is easier for a life sentence to be dismissed rather than an execution be reversed.  Facetiousness not aimed at intentionally, but an effort to reduce to most simplistic form!

I hate to say it but it strikes me as self evident and thus not in need of any justification?  I have blanked on the nomenclature for this ~ can any one help? Either Philosophical, Logical or Mathematical - they have all escaped me!

Miranda

[sheer]

Dog,

While you're at it, how about you take a stab and try to logically explain how "life in prison" is more "just" than the death penalty.  In a 5 page thread, not one of you even wants to try???

You are presenting your questions in a deterministic manner to achieve the answers you specifically want. You're throwing a fit because people  have the capacity to think outside of the extremely limited parameters you place on them.
You then ignore the fact that your questions have already been answered, purely because you didn't get the answer you clumsily set out to get.

You don't want a discussion, you don't even want to know what people actually think.

sheer

[kerriew]

Hi Miranda,

"Thus, it follows logically that a life sentence without parole, rather than DP, would NOT be "Not Just" and thus be "just".  It is easier for a life sentence to be dismissed rather than an execution be reversed.  Facetiousness not aimed at intentionally, but an effort to reduce to most simplistic form!"

This makes sense. Eventhough I am for the DP, I would not want an innocent person executed. This is the reason for so many appeals to make sure this doesn't happen. Unfortunatly, when someone is released they have spent many years in prison. I am sure it is a horrible thing to lose so many years of your life. How sad.

Does England have the death penalty?

Peace
Kerrie

[Miranda]

Does England have the death penalty?
Kerrie

No not any more.  But I have a feeling that Treason is still a DP offence - but some of our stuff is pretty old!

Nor is there the DP in the European Community.  I am not even sure if either genocide or war crimes are DP issues any more.  It will be interesting to see how long it takes Radadzic(sp? to get to The Hague!

We slowly inch forward towards real 'civilisation' and 'desertion' is no longer punishable by death and the psychology of it is now far better understood.  They are even now adding names of those shot for desertion on to war memorials thank goodness!  Rather than treating like outcasts.

Miranda

[Miranda]

Dog,

While you're at it, how about you take a stab and try to logically explain how "life in prison" is more "just" than the death penalty.  In a 5 page thread, not one of you even wants to try???

You are presenting your questions in a deterministic manner .....t
sheer

'Bombastic' is the word that springs to my mind!  Lovely word.

Miranda

[DogIsYourName]

plus the dread that it would be possible for an innocent man to be unjustly executed,  Ergo "Not Just". 

Thus, it follows logically that a life sentence without parole, rather than DP, would NOT be "Not Just" and thus be "just".  It is easier for a life sentence to be dismissed rather than an execution be reversed. 

Miranda

This is the one logical argument against the death penalty that I alluded to pages ago.

Of course, none of the non supporters want to use that one...  Also, KerrieW's counterargument, in favor of the DP, is a good one.

Sheer,
You are presenting your questions in a deterministic manner to achieve the answers you specifically want.

I am presenting a logical argument you apparently cannot refute without changing my argument.  Still waiting.

Farm - yes or no?  Still waiting.

[sheer]

I am presenting a logical argument you apparently cannot refute without changing my argument.  Still waiting.

It's not logical Dog, it's a coward's argument that is designed to get the response you want. You can't play on a level playing field, so you set the parameters beforehand. That's what you've done......Get over it.

sheer