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« on: December 18, 2008, 10:53:50 PM »


 This isn't actually a specific question about the 3 in prison, but just a general question that popped into my mind while watching one of the movies, specifically when Jessie's sentence was about to be read. And I'll admit that I'm NOWHERE CLOSE to being an expert on law....thus the reason for my curiosity.

 After you are found guilty, the judge always asks the defendant specific questions. One of these is something like, "Do you feel your lawyers provided an adequate defense for you??"

 Now personally, if it was ME that had just been found guilty, you damn straight I'd say, "Hell no....they didn't prove me innocent did they??" But, just what DOES happen if the defendant doesn't say yes? I can't imagine it would be an automatic mistrial or appeal. If so, every single person would eventually just start saying, "Nope....wasn't satisfied at all."

 But SOMETHING surely happens if you answer no, after you've just been found guilty....or else the judge wouldn't even bother asking you that. Do you still go to prison, but another type of hearing is automatically scheduled....or what?? Anyone know??
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 11:06:17 PM »

It is noted in the court records.  Is anything done about it........basically, in the nutshell.......nope. 

It reminds me of the Miranda Rights...........an officer says their usual speech: 

“    You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to have an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights?    

What if they say 'nope, I don't understand'? 

Nothing happens.  It is the officers job to read them to you, but not make you understand.
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 12:37:25 AM »

 Hummm....so sounds like it's just some more legal mumbo-jumbo that doesn't really mean shit. Figures.  Guess I can't try that excuse next time I'm going to jail. :)

 But I'd just LOVE to see that happen in some high-profile case that is being filmed for T.V. :

 Judge: You are guilty.

 Guy: Wiii-Wiii....Please NOOOO!!

 Judge: Are you satisfied with your lawyers?

 Guy: Hell no. Would YOU be??

 Jury gasps....several observers faint....both sets of lawyers fall back into their chairs.

 Judge: Well....humm....okay.....well. Nobody has ever said that before. Let me look in the books & see what I'm suppose to do in this case.  ;D
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 04:12:14 AM »

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But SOMETHING surely happens if you answer no, after you've just been found guilty....or else the judge wouldn't even bother asking you that. Do you still go to prison, but another type of hearing is automatically scheduled....or what?? Anyone know??

What TJM said is pretty much it.

Trials are usually bifurcated into guilt and sentencing phases. The procedures for each are pretty specifically mandated by statute and common law (case law). If an error is committed during the trial phase objections preserve issues for possible appeal which could result in an overturned verdict and a new trial. If an error is committed during the sentencing phase, objections preserve issues for appealing the sentence, which may result in the case may be remanded for resentencing. It usually has no effect on the result of the guilt phase.

Most of the language you hear during a sentencing is stuff that judges must ask. The answer is usually meaningless but for appeal preservation. It's a game of you must say the right words to have your sentence upheld. Again, the sentencing usually has no effect on the outcome of the guilt phase. A year or so ago, the Ohio Supreme Court (where I am) found a constitutional sentencing error in a case and issued a decision remanding that case and the joined cases (there were several) back to the trial court for resentencing. Basically, the OSC said that the trial judge didn't say the right words. There were hundreds of appeals based on that decision in Roberts. Most of those cases went back, the judge said the right words, and the convicted received the exact same sentence.   

I once saw a sentencing similar to what you describe. The only difference was this case it was a plea and not a conviction. The defendant decided in the middle of sentencing that he didn't really want to take the plea and tried to convice the judge that he would never have taken the plea but for the advice of his attorney. The judge refused, preserved it for the record, completed the sentencing and away the guy went.

One of the things I think people often forget is that the job of a defense attorney is not to prove you innocent, it is to assure that you receive a fair trial. The burden of proving a case lies solely with the prosecution. I spent a few years as a public defender and I'd can say with certainty that 99% of the people I defended were guilty (most aren't even smart enough to lie about it to you either).  Yes, there are innocent people convicted. But, in the overwhelming majority of cases, the person is guilty. You have a constitutional right to a fair trial. A defense attorney's job is assure that happens. Just because a defendant wants to be aquitted, doesn't mean his attorney was remiss in his duty. It may mean his is just one dumbass criminal who left a shitload of evidence sufficient to convict him.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2008, 04:23:34 AM »

99% of the people I defended were guilty

I don't doubt it a bit.

Folks seem to forget that the Prosecution can't simply grab suspects out of a hat or on advice of the police.

It takes a fairly strong case to even make it to court in the first place.
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