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[Leto]

I've already posted some of these questions in another thread, but decided to re-post. I'm new to this board but not the case.
I believe that the WM3 may be innocent. But I have so many questions.

One poster wrote that Chris suffered many, many wounds to the penis and [anal] wounds also. This is the first I've heard of anal wounds. Where did this information come from? I've read the autopsy reports and there's nothing about this in them. I also asked about proof of occult activity by the 3. Was there any? The prosecution claimed that they were involved in Satanism and that the murders reflected this due to the phase of the moon, the stab wounds and the number of children and their ages. Again, never heard of any of this. I've read a lot about the occult and none of it adds up. They were murdered 2 days before the full of the moon.  And I don't understand how Jason was dragged into this case with no evidence to even arrest him on. I'd appreciate anything anyone can add to this. Thanks.

[DogIsYourName]

Well, they arrested Jason because Jessie confessed and implicated Jason.

The occult evidence was just a sham attempt at a motive that would also allow them to introduce Damien's wierd traits into the case instead of that stuff being inadmissible character evidence.

[Farm]

I also asked about proof of occult activity by the 3. Was there any?

You mean aside from Echol's own claim that he was a Satanist?

[Leto]

I also asked about proof of occult activity by the 3. Was there any?

You mean aside from Echol's own claim that he was a Satanist?

Thanks for responding.
Echols claimed to be into Wiccan. And Wiccans do not consider themselves to be Satanists. I think this was confusing for the jury and apparently for the prosecutors as well. As a Christian, I don't condone either of these religions, but one is not the same as the other. I've got quite a collection of books and some of them are books about the occult and various religions as well. I also have black clothes and listen to heavy metal. These things don't make me evil. Just weird. 

[Leto]

Well, they arrested Jason because Jessie confessed and implicated Jason.

The occult evidence was just a sham attempt at a motive that would also allow them to introduce Damien's wierd traits into the case instead of that stuff being inadmissible character evidence.

Thanks for the answer.

I could implicate someone in anything too. That wouldn't make them guilty. I would think that a judge and jury would need a lot more to go on than this. Even Baldwin's attorney was so certain that his client was innocent that he didn't have any witnesses for him. I mean, there was nothing to witness to. I agree about the occult evidence being a sham. But prosecutors used it throughout the trial and convinced the jury it was valid information. That jury had no clue what the occult really is. They were completely uneducated in that subject.

[Storm]

Damien claimed he was Wiccan, but if you know any of the beliefs that Wiccans have, he really did not support them.  He believed he could suck the blood of a young person, and be a God.  Look at his mental hospital reports. He threatened to kill his parents and eat them. He may have said his belief was Wiccan, but it was far from it.

[auburnesq]

But prosecutors used it throughout the trial and convinced the jury it was valid information. That jury had no clue what the occult really is. They were completely uneducated in that subject.

I just don't see the occult as being a huge factor in the convictions. Evidence of dabbling in the occult was used to establish motive. Establishing motive is optional for prosecutors as it is not a statutory element of murder. A motive can circumstantially bolster the evidence, but it alone will not substantiate a conviction.

A good example is Manson's conviction. Helter Skelter was the motive presented at trial, however it is far more likely that the murders were to committed to try to free Bobby Beausoleil and as retribution for Terry Melcher not producing Manson's music. So, in the grand scheme of things, does it matter that the wrong motive was presented as long as the evidence supports the conviction.

[sheer]

Hi Leto,

Echols claimed to be into Wiccan

Damien also said he was into demonology. Demonology is not Wiccan.   


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[Mary7875]

One poster wrote that Chris suffered many, many wounds to the penis and [anal] wounds also. This is the first I've heard of anal wounds. Where did this information come from? I've read the autopsy reports and there's nothing about this in them.

Peretti: Okay. State's Exhibit 71C is the buttock region and here--there was evidence of genital mutilation. This is the back, here's the anal orifice. There are multiple cutting wounds here around the anal orifice and the perineum area, the piece--the area between the um, below the anal orifice.

[taylorjaysmommy]

Baldwins attorney Paul Ford stated something to the effect of 'even a fish cannot be caught if it keeps its mouth shut.'

[fullmoon]

Peretti: Okay. State's Exhibit 71C is the buttock region and here--there was evidence of genital mutilation. This is the back, here's the anal orifice. There are multiple cutting wounds here around the anal orifice and the perineum area, the piece--the area between the um, below the anal orifice.

Mary, when you have the time could you post me a link to this?  I for one have never heard of it either and would like to read all of this. Thanks

[fullmoon]

I found it...thanks.

[Leto]

I have a question about Terry Hobbs. Renowned profiler John Douglas has stated that he feels Hobbs was involved in the murders. What's your take on this? Douglas, after speaking with Hobbs felt that he'd lied about everything.

[sheer]

Have you read the profile that Douglas wrote about this case?

http://wm3hoax.downonthefarm.org/board/index.php/topic,891.0.html (Scroll down)



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[BlackAngel]

Leto

You can fool some people but it's hard to fool me. Who are YOU?

I have a question about Terry Hobbs. Renowned profiler John Douglas has stated that he feels Hobbs was involved in the murders. What's your take on this? Douglas, after speaking with Hobbs felt that he'd lied about everything.

If you go back to the welcome section and look for a post by Amanda, you will read what she thinks of her father. Now i will tell you what I think of Terry, I think hes being used as a scapegoat to get three child killers out of jail.  I think JMB is a lying asshole who is trying to get people to believe that Terry had something to do with the murders.  JMB is an attention whore, who wants the camera on him, and he will do anything for that to happen, even turning on one of his friends.

Now the last thing I will tell you is, the parents of the 3 murdered children post and read hear, so please be respectfull because I think highly of all of them except Byers, with Byers I don;t give a shit what you say.