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[Farm]

Echols claimed to be into Wiccan.

Only after his arrest.

And Wiccans do not consider themselves to be Satanists

Exactly!

And yet Echols DID consider himself to be a Satanist prior to his arrest.

[Leto]

Have you read the profile that Douglas wrote about this case?

http://wm3hoax.downonthefarm.org/board/index.php/topic,891.0.html (Scroll down)



sheer

Thanks Sheer. I just read it and this is not the one I was thinking of. I thought there was another one where he specifically interviewed Hobbs last year. But from this profile, Douglas states that the perpetrator acted alone, it was not a Satanic type murder and that he lived very near the crime scene. So how do we justify 3 perpetrators, accused of occult, ritualistic murder, who didn't live right next to or in the same neighborhood as the victims? At this point I feel like the more answers I get the more questions I have!  But I appreciate everyone's patience and help.

[fullmoon]

You can fool some people but it's hard to fool me. Who are YOU?

BlackAngel,
Leto is my friend.  She to has not read everything on Callahans like myself and we both have been reading a lot of supporter stuff and following the media.  I myself, and I know Leto as well has never read into some of the facts you guys are pointing out.

[Farm]

But from this profile, Douglas states that the perpetrator acted alone

Did you happen to read why Douglas believes this?

You know why you didn't?

Because he never said why.

He tried to dismiss the evidence that it WAS multiple perps - ie the multiple knot types in the bindings and such - but never offers ANYTHING to say why he feels it was a single perp.

Wouldn't be because that's what he was paid to say, would it?

[Leto]

Leto

You can fool some people but it's hard to fool me. Who are YOU?

I have a question about Terry Hobbs. Renowned profiler John Douglas has stated that he feels Hobbs was involved in the murders. What's your take on this? Douglas, after speaking with Hobbs felt that he'd lied about everything.

If you go back to the welcome section and look for a post by Amanda, you will read what she thinks of her father. Now i will tell you what I think of Terry, I think hes being used as a scapegoat to get three child killers out of jail.  I think JMB is a lying asshole who is trying to get people to believe that Terry had something to do with the murders.  JMB is an attention whore, who wants the camera on him, and he will do anything for that to happen, even turning on one of his friends.

Now the last thing I will tell you is, the parents of the 3 murdered children post and read hear, so please be respectfull because I think highly of all of them except Byers, with Byers I don;t give a shit what you say.

Who am I? YOU first. I'm not trying to fool anyone. If you don't want to comment to me don't. And if I'm bothering anyone here, I'll leave. I stated my position from the start. I have a lot of questions and would like to learn the TRUTH!

[fullmoon]

Wouldn't be because that's what he was paid to say, would it?

Did Douglas get paid to do that profile Farm?  I see your point your making but would like to know if he did get paid for it?

[Farm]

Of course he got paid - that's what he does for a living.

Haven't you heard Lorri whining on and on about how expensive these experts are and how "there's still time to help"?

[Leto]

But from this profile, Douglas states that the perpetrator acted alone

Did you happen to read why Douglas believes this?

You know why you didn't?

Because he never said why.

He tried to dismiss the evidence that it WAS multiple perps - ie the multiple knot types in the bindings and such - but never offers ANYTHING to say why he feels it was a single perp.

Wouldn't be because that's what he was paid to say, would it?

I don't mean to sound naive, but apparently I am (just a little  ). I guess I think of John Douglas as being a real professional, stand-up guy. I know he likes to pat himself on the back, but he's a sharp guy and has done much in the world of law enforcement. The knots, I'll admit, had me wondering too. Why would a perp, in the middle of his crime, suddenly switch from tying one kind of knot to another type? I would think that he'd want to expedite his work and get the hell out of there. Again, these are things that I've never thought of and in some instances, never heard of. So this is very enlightening for me. Thanks again.
P.S. Confession: I suppose I've always leaned more towards innocence, but too many things had me scratching my head.

[fullmoon]

Haven't you heard Lorri whining on and on about how expensive these experts are and how "there's still time to help"?

 

Yes, I have and I actually donated money one time.
 

[Leto]

You can fool some people but it's hard to fool me. Who are YOU?

BlackAngel,
Leto is my friend.  She to has not read everything on Callahans like myself and we both have been reading a lot of supporter stuff and following the media.  I myself, and I know Leto as well has never read into some of the facts you guys are pointing out.

Hey Moon! I'm trying to read more at Callahans, but don't always have enough time to sort through all that. I don't know zip about law enforcement so a lot of what I read I have to ask about or look up. Talk to you soon.

[fullmoon]

Hey Moon! I'm trying to read more at Callahans, but don't always have enough time to sort through all that.

Howdy, glad you came here to have a look.  I here ya, Callahans is very huge..talk with you soon.

[Farm]

I guess I think of John Douglas as being a real professional, stand-up guy.

I put about as much faith in profiling as I do in astrology.

Douglas if you recall is the same guy who said the letter from the green river killer wasn't really from him.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20031126&slug=greenriver26m

Myself, I don't tend to have a lot of confidence in experts who are "sometimes" right.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

[sheer]

Leto,

The profile that I linked to would have been jumped on by supporters 18 months ago to prove that it was Mark Byers that committed the murders.

And to be fair, you can see that it's as if its been written with him in mind:  ;)

"The type of offender responsible in these types of homicides was determined from the original National Institute of Justice (“NIJ”) research grants, as the “organized” type of offender. The organized offender is described as being self-centred, egocentric, and narcissistic. He resents people but does not avoid social situations. He looks at social situations as an opportunity to manipulate and use others for his own personal gain. The organized type is known for his cunningness and is very methodical in his everyday activities. Because of his criminal intellect, based on his previous criminal activities, he is seen as adaptive and flexible when criminally active. Although having described the offender as flexible and adaptive he prefers to perpetrate crimes in close proximity to where he either resides or is employed. It is his “comfort zone.”
The organized type is cognizant of not leaving evidence at the scene  which could be forensically linked to him. Stripping the victims, hog-tying them, using sticks to submerse and hide the victims’ clothing, throwing the victims’ bicycles in the water, as well as dispersing the victims in water, all reflect and speak to the offender’s criminal mind.
It is not uncommon for the organized type of offender to be overly cooperative post offense."

And if I'm bothering anyone here, I'll leave. I stated my position from the start. I have a lot of questions and would like to learn the TRUTH!

 

If you leave, it will most likely be by your own choice, since we rarely ban people. There's this one board where this silly idiot banned me because I dared to disagree with her. She then lied about what I wrote. How cowardly! Curiousme I think she was called.  


sheer

[Leto]

I guess I think of John Douglas as being a real professional, stand-up guy.

I put about as much faith in profiling as I do in astrology.

Douglas if you recall is the same guy who said the letter from the green river killer wasn't really from him.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20031126&slug=greenriver26m

Myself, I don't tend to have a lot of confidence in experts who are "sometimes" right.

Farm, you seem like a real patient guy.   I was just reading over some of your posts and it certainly makes sense that Douglas would have said what the defense wants to hear. How did you get into this case? I personally got interested in it when I saw P1 & P2. I mean, I certainly remember back in 1993 when it happened. It was all over the news. But the movies are what got me thinking about it again. And then I found the wm3.org site and started looking at all the forums and reading when I could.

[Leto]

Leto,

The profile that I linked to would have been jumped on by supporters 18 months ago to prove that it was Mark Byers that committed the murders.

And to be fair, you can see that it's as if its been written with him in mind:  ;)

"The type of offender responsible in these types of homicides was determined from the original National Institute of Justice (“NIJ”) research grants, as the “organized” type of offender. The organized offender is described as being self-centred, egocentric, and narcissistic. He resents people but does not avoid social situations. He looks at social situations as an opportunity to manipulate and use others for his own personal gain. The organized type is known for his cunningness and is very methodical in his everyday activities. Because of his criminal intellect, based on his previous criminal activities, he is seen as adaptive and flexible when criminally active. Although having described the offender as flexible and adaptive he prefers to perpetrate crimes in close proximity to where he either resides or is employed. It is his “comfort zone.”
The organized type is cognizant of not leaving evidence at the scene  which could be forensically linked to him. Stripping the victims, hog-tying them, using sticks to submerse and hide the victims’ clothing, throwing the victims’ bicycles in the water, as well as dispersing the victims in water, all reflect and speak to the offender’s criminal mind.
It is not uncommon for the organized type of offender to be overly cooperative post offense."

And if I'm bothering anyone here, I'll leave. I stated my position from the start. I have a lot of questions and would like to learn the TRUTH!

 

If you leave, it will most likely be by your own choice, since we rarely ban people. There's this one board where this silly idiot banned me because I dared to disagree with her. She then lied about what I wrote. How cowardly! Curiousme I think she was called.  


sheer

I'll admit, I certainly thought of Byers as soon as I read it. But then I also thought of him when I saw the movies. I told Farm that he's being patient with me. And so are you! At this point I'm learning so much that I've never heard before and taking a new look at old info. that now seems totally out of order to me. It feels really strange to be on this side of the case, as I've mostly been on the supporter side and read what they had to say. Sorry you got booted from a board. What was it that upset them?