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[seedy]

Is this right?   Buddy made a statment on the 14th october,  saying Jessie confessed to him that he was present at the murders,  and he also named Echols and Baldwin

Buddy then recanted the statement the same day basically saying he was lying.  But when they gave him a polygraph it showed he was lying about lying.  He then said hes recanting cos he fears for his familys safety.
So did he recant straight away?  Or did he leave the police station and come back later in the day?

Also.
RIDGE.  "Alright Damien, did you know him? "
LUCAS. " Not every (ever) since he picked me up off the ground my looking at me,  i mean i got scared of him "

What does that mean?

[BlackAngel]

Seedy

From what I remember he came back to the police station because he was threatened and that is why he recanted.

Jan

[seedy]

Ta very much Jan.  Thats what i was thinking,  a quiet word in the ear.

[DogIsYourName]

But then he swears on the phone with Glitchell that the only ones threatening him were the WMPD.  He says Damien's investigative team was nothing but nice.

[taylorjaysmommy]

Dog,

Can you show me exactly where you read this?


Thanx !


I read 'this' too, BUT.............I happen to not believe everything that I read off of the WM3 site.   

NOTE #2: Police fearing our defense of false confession, searched feverishly for a way to corroborate Jessie's story. They questioned a friend of Jessie's named Buddy Lucas. Lucas told Officers Durham and Ridge that Jessie confessed to him that he had witnessed the murders the day after the murders occurred. Lucas told the officers that he and an uncle went to Jessie's on the day of the murders and took the Misskelleys some BBQ chicken. According to Lucas, Jessie Jr. wasn't there, but Jessie Sr. told him that Jessie had went to W Memphis w/ some teenagers. Lucas then told the officers that the next day, he went over to Jessie's house and that he and Jessie got their hair cut by Stephanie Dollar. After the hair cuts, Jessie told Buddy everything. Jessie even gave Buddy the shoes he was wearing when the boys were killed which Buddy readily handed over to police.

Suddenly, the West Memphis police had the technology to video tape an interrogation, something they couldn't do with Jessie on June 3, 1993. I went to the Police Department and watched the video of Buddy's statement. The statement seemed strange to me, a poor attempt by Mr. Lucas to give the police something to corroborate Jessie's statement. After the tape was over, Officer Ridge readily admitted to me that as soon as Buddy finished his statement, he refused to take a polygraph exam to confirm same, and even recanted everything he said on the tape. I went to Jessie Sr.'s and asked him about the chicken. He said he Buddy and his uncle never brought him any chicken. Buddy's uncle also denied delivering any chicken, and Stephanie Dollar said she did not cut Buddy's hair on May 6, 1993.

Ron Lax tracked down Buddy, and he and I took a statement from Buddy, on video tape. Buddy said the police threatened him and told him he would go to jail if he didn't tell them about Jessie doing the murders. Buddy said he made up the story to keep from going to jail and that he "hated to have to lie on Jessie" but he was scared of the cops. Buddy said Jessie had given him some tennis shoes long before the murders ever took place, and the shoes that he gave police were not even the ones Jessie had loaned him. When the police took the shoes, they gave Buddy a brand new pair of boots. Buddy told Ron and myself that he was glad to tell us the real story.

When I asked Jessie about Buddy, he said that he hadn't seen Buddy in a long time, and that Buddy was real dumb. Jessie said Buddy was in "special education" in school. If Jessie thought he was slow then you can imagine how slow he really was. We arranged for Buddy to be represented by an attorney, and he was not hassled by the police anymore. When prosecutors learned of his recantation, they did not call him to testify. In a very difficult decision, Greg and I chose not to put Buddy on the stand at trial because he was so nervous and wouldn't have made a good witness. Further, the jury might have believed Buddy's statement to police, which the prosecution surely would have used to impeach him, and this might have been all the jury needed to convict Jessie of Capital Murder something that could have cost him his life.

In addition, Buddy's testimony might be construed by the appellate court as corroboration, something we have submitted all along they did not have. In hindsight, I still think we made the right decision in not using Buddy at tri






But I do put more faith in 'this':

RIDGE: Okay, what were you wearing that day?
JESSIE: I was just wearing regular blue jeans, my shoes
RIDGE: What kind of shoes were you wearing?
JESSIE: My uh, Adidas
RIDGE: Adidas tenns shoes?
JESSIE: Yes
RIDGE: What kind of shirt were you wearing?
JESSIE: I was just wearing a regular old greasy up t-shirt.
RIDGE: Okay, was it a designed shirt, like this bull type shirt, or was it just a plain white, old
JESSIE: Plain white
RIDGE: Old t-shirt, where are these shoes at now?
JESSIE: A friend of mine, he borrowed them
RIDGE: Who is that?
JESSIE: Buddy Lucas
RIDGE: Buddy Lucas?
JESSIE: He borrowed them from me


Snippit from Fogelman Closing Argument:

Then we get to something that corroborates it, which is another thing that Mr. Holmes says about some inconsequential matter. Think the way he described it was somebody walking by or some kind of conversation or something. You remember what the defendant said in his statement about what he did with his tennis shoes? And what kind of tennis shoes they were? He said that he gave them to a guy named Buddy Lucas. And he describes in his statement that they were white and blue Adidas. Detective Ridge testified that he went to Buddy Lucas', and lo and behold what did he get from Buddy Lucas? The white and blue Adidas. Is that a coincidence? I think not.

[Storm]

whats even funnier, is Jessie saying that this Buddy Lucas is really slow.  I thought Jessie was the slow one  If jessie was so slow, how would he even recognize this?

[taylorjaysmommy]

whats even funnier, is Jessie saying that this Buddy Lucas is really slow.  I thought Jessie was the slow one  If jessie was so slow, how would he even recognize this?

Yah, kind of like JMB  the supporters that patronize these boards  having the nerve to call anyone else an idiot. 

[Farm]

Dog?

Are we to assume Rox Lax was your only source on this?

[DogIsYourName]

I'm sorry.  It was not a phone call with Glitchell -- it was with John Fogelman.

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/audio/html/fogleman_hudson_lucas.html

[BlackAngel]

THIS IS DETECTIVE BRYN RIDGE OF TEH WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY IN THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH BUDDY SIDNEY LUCAS. YOUR AWARE THAT WE'VE TAPE RECORDING OR CONVERSATION?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - AND YOUR AWARE OF THE VCR CAMCORDER IN THE CORNER ALSO TAPING?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - CONVERSATION CORRECT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT?

LUCAS - NO SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, BUDDY I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME A RIGHTS SHEET TODAY'S DATE IS 10-14 OF 93 AND THE TIME IS 1:28 P.M. IN FRONT OF ME I HAVE A RIGHTS SHEET. ITS A STANDARD SHEET WITH HEADING FOR THE CITY OF WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IT'S YOUR RIGHTS IT'S GOT YOUR NAME BUDDY SIDNEY LUCAS AND YOUR BIRTHRATE - - 74(MONTH AND DAY EDITED) HAS YOUR EDUCATION A HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATED IS THAT CORRECT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - OK, PLACE IS CID OFFICE, TODAY'S DATE, AND TIME?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - WE ARE INFORMING THAT WE ARE DETECTIVE BILL DURHAM, THIS IS BILL DURHAM THAT'S HERE IN THE OFFICE WITH US, AND I'M DETECTIVE BRYN RIDGE, POLICE OFFICERS OF THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTING A INVESTIGATION FOR THE OFFENSE OF CAPITAL MURDER, WHICH WAS COMMITTED ON OR ABOUT MAY THE FIFTH OF 1993

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - BEFORE WE ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS YOU MUST KNOW AND UNDERSTAND YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS THEREFORE WE WARN AND ADVISE YOU THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

LUCAS - OKAY

RIDGE - OKAY, THOSE ARE YOUR INITIALS

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - ON THAT LINE IN FRONT OF THAT OKAY, ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - AND THOSE ARE YOUR INITIALS AGAIN

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - ALRIGHT, YOU A RIGHT TO TALK TO A LAWYER FOR ADVISE BEFORE WE ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS AND TO HAVE HIM WITH YOU DURING QUESTIONING DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD A LAWYER ONE WILL BE APPOINTED FOR YOU BEFORE ANY QUESTIONING IF YOU WISH AT NO COST TO YOU DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - AND THOSE ARE YOUR INITIALS

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - AND IF YOU DECIDE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS NOW WITHOUT A LAWYER PRESENT YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP ANSWERING AT ANY TIME DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - ALRIGHT, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FORM ITS A WAIVER OF RIGHTS, I HAVE READ THIS STATEMENT OF MY RIGHTS AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT MY RIGHTS ARE I AM WILLING TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND ANSWER QUESTIONS, I DO NOT WANT A LAWYER AT THIS TIME, I UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT I AM DOING, NO PROMISES OR THREATS HAVE BEEN MADE TO ME AND NO PRESSURE OR FORCE HAS BEEN USED AGAINST ME IS THAT CORRECT?

LUCAS - THAT'S CORRECT

RIDGE - OKAY, IT'S SIGNED BY YOU. IS THAT YOUR SIGNATURE?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - BUDDY LUCAS, WITNESS BY BILL DURHAM AND I'LL WITNESS IT AT THIS TIME. OKAY, WHAT I NEED YOU TO DO IS TO RECALL BACK TO THIS DATE THAT THIS CAPITAL MURDER OCCURRED ON WHICH IS MAY 5TH IF THIS YEAR. OKAY, WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY?

LUCAS - ALRIGHT, THAT DAY I (INAUDIBLE) , BUT THAT NIGHT WE HAD A BAR-B-Q

RIDGE - ALRIGHT YOU SAY WE HAD A BAR-B-Q?

LUCAS - ME, MY MOM, MY COUSIN REX, MY BROTHER, MY LITTLE SISTER

RIDGE - OKAY, REX WHAT IS HIS LAST NAME?

LUCAS - AN HEATH

RIDGE - REX HEATH, YOUR BROTHER'S NAME?

LUCAS - CALVIN LUCAS

RIDGE - HOW OLD IS HE?

LUCAS - HE'S 11

RIDGE - AND YOUR SISTER?

LUCAS - BRANDY MICHELLE HUDSON

RIDGE - HOW OLD IS SHE?

LUCAS - SHE TURNS 3 SUNDAY

RIDGE - OKAY, AND YOUR HAVING A BAR-B-Q AT YOUR HOUSE?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - IN LAKESHORE?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY, AND YOUR MOTHER IS MARY LUCAS IS THAT RIGHT?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY, AND WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE BAR-B-Q?

LUCAS - WE ... WE HAD BEEN, WE DECIDED TO TAKE JESSIE AND THEM SOME CHICKEN

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - AND EVERYTHING, SO ME AND MY COUSIN REX WENT OVER THERE, TOOK THEM SOME CHICKEN AND EVERYTHING. I ASK THEM WHERE'S LITTLE JESSIE AND EVERYTHING. HE, BIG JESSIE SAID THAT UM, HE WENT WALKING THAT WAY AND EVERYTHING, AND WE LOOKED OUT THE DOOR AND HE WAS WALKING OFF WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.

RIDGE - OKAY, WHICH WAY ARE YOU DESCRIBING?

LUCAS - TOWARD WEST MEMPHIS

RIDGE - OKAY, AND JESSIE WAS WALKING AWAY

LUCAS - THEY WERE HEADED OUT OF HIGHLAND TRAILER PARK

RIDGE - OKAY, JESSIE AND SOMEBODY, BIG JESSIE DIDN'T KNOW?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - IS THAT RIGHT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, AND OKAY WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT AFTER THAT?

LUCAS - SO THAT, UM, WE UM, STAYED THERE, TALKED THEM FOR A WHILE AND EVERYTHING, THEN ME AND REX WE DECIDE THAT WE'VE GOING LEAVE, WE'VE GOING BACK HOME AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - WE'VE AT HOME, WE HAD US SOME SUPPER AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU GOT HOME/

LUCAS - IT WAS AROUND 9

RIDGE - OKAY, YOU WENT AHEAD AND ATE SOME BAR-B-Q OR YOU ATE, WHAT DID YOU EAT FOR SUPPER THAT NIGHT?

LUCAS - I HAD BAR-B-Q CHICKEN

RIDGE - OKAY, DID YOU LEAVE SOME WITH JESSIE SR.?

LUCAS - SIR

RIDGE - DID YOU LEAVE SOME BAR-B-Q WITH JESSIE'S HOUSE FOR HIM TO EAT?

LUCAS - UH-HUH, YES SIR

RIDGE - OKAY AND

LUCAS - WE LEFT SOME FOR OUR FATHER

RIDGE - DID ANYTHING ELSE HAPPEN THAT NIGHT? DID YOU GET A PHONE CALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM JESSIE?

LUCAS - NO SIR, NO SIR

RIDGE - OK

LUCAS - SO TURN AROUND THAT NEXT DAY I WENT OVER THERE I FIGURED HE WOULD BE HOME BY NOW

RIDGE - TO JESSIE'S HOUSE?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - WHAT TIME WAS IT YOU WENT TO JESSIE'S HOUSE?

LUCAS - IT WAS THAT MORNING

RIDGE - UH, RIGHT AFTER DAYLIGHT, MIDDLE OF THE MORNING

LUCAS - IT WAS DAYLIGHT

RIDGE - IT, OKAY GIVE ME A APPROXIMATE TIME

LUCAS - I SAY 9

RIDGE - ABOUT 9 O'CLOCK

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - THE MIDDLE OF THE MORNING?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - SO WE WENT, I WENT THERE AND I KNOCK ON THE DOOR ABOUT 3 OR 4 TIMES HE WAS STILL IN BED, SO I GOT READY TO LEAVE AND HE OPENED THE DOOR AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - OKAY, WAS BIG JESSIE THERE?

LUCAS - NO SIR, HE WAS AT WORK

RIDGE - OKAY, OKAY

LUCAS - OKAY, SO I WANTED TO GO IN, AND JESSIE SAID NO MAN LET'S STAY OUT HERE ON THE PORCH AND WE'LL UH, TALK AND EVERYTHING OKAY JUST TALK

RIDGE - OKAY, HE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE?

LUCAS - UH SIR?

RIDGE - HE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE RIGHT THEN HE WANTED TO TALK?

LUCAS - YEA

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - (INAUDIBLE)

RIDGE - OKAY, SO WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION?

LUCAS - WELL JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOME, OF HIS FRIENDS, MY FRIENDS, AND OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING ON I SAW (INAUDIBLE) HE STARTED BREAKING OUT IN SWEAT AND EVERYTHING AND AT THAT TIME I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THESE KIDS

RIDGE - OKAY, BUT TELL ME WHAT, JUST THAT CONVERSATION WHAT HAPPENNED IN THAT CONVERSATION?

LUCAS - WE WAS UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT GOING OVER UH, BOBBY DOLLARS WIFE'S HOUSE TO GET MY HAIR CUT, BECAUSE SHE CUT LITTLE HAIR NOW AND THEN

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - SO I WAS GOING TO GO OVER THERE, SO I SAID LETS GO OVER SEE ABOUT GETTING HER TO CUT MY HAIR, WE WENT OVER THERE, SHE CUT MY HAIR, HE SIT THERE AND PLAYED THE NINTENDO WITH HER LITTLE BOYS

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - AND EVERYTHING, CAUSE HE USED TO, HE CLEANED UP HER HOUSE, WATCHES HER KIDS FOR HER, SO WE LEFT WE WENT BACK TO HIS HOUSE, I STARTED, I TOLD HIM, MAN, UH, THANKS FOR GOING OVER UH, BOBBY'S WIFE'S WITH ME AND EVERYTHING TO GET MY HAIR CUT, I GOING TO HOWLER AT YOU LATER, HE SAID NO MAN I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, AND EVERYTHING AND HE WAS BREAKING OUT IN A SWEAT

RIDGE - YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HIS EYES WHEN WE TALKED EARLIER WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIS EYES

LUCAS - THEY... THEY HAD WATER DROPPING FROM THEM

RIDGE - HE HAD BEEN CRYING?

LUCAS - UH-HUH SOMETHING LIKE THAT

RIDGE - THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU THOUGHT?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - DID HE TELL YOU HE HAD BEEN CRYING?

LUCAS - UH-UH

RIDGE - OKAY, SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE TELLS YOU HE HAS TO TELL YOU SOMETHING?

LUCAS - SO WE SIT THERE, SIT THERE, AND I SAID, HE SAID MAN ME JASON AND DAMIEN WE WENT WALKING LAST NIGHT IN THE TOWN OF WEST MEMPHIS, I SAID WHY DIDN'T YOU ALL COME BY AND GET ME? WE WILL WE UH, WE WERE IN A HURRY AND EVERYTHING GO UP THERE AND COME BACK HOME. I SAID ALRIGHT I UNDERSTAND (INAUDIBLE) NOW SINCE I FOUND OUT I'M KINDA GLAD HE DIDN'T COME BY AND GET ME

RIDGE - OKAY, WHAT DID HE TELL YOU HE DO?

LUCAS - WE.... HE TOLD ME THAT UH, THAT HE GOT IN A FIGHT, THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME AT FIRST

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - I SAID DAMIEN AND JASON THEY HELPED YOU? HE SAID UM-YEA AND EVERYTHING SO I SAID WELL DID YOU ALL HURT ANYBODY? AND HE SAID YEA, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THOSE 8 YEAR OLD KIDS OR ANYTHING, SO I TURN AROUND AND COME TO FOUND OUT THAT JASON HE WAS WITH JASON AND DAMIEN WHEN THEY SACRIFICED THEM LITTLE KIDS. I WAS COME AND TELL YOU ALL

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - AND HE SAID NO I'LL DO IT

RIDGE - SO HE TELLS YOU HE WILL COME TO THE POLICE

LUCAS: UH-HUH, AND ALRIGHT THAT WEEKEND I CAME BACK OVER AT MY MOM'S AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - UH-HUH

LUCAS - I READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER AND EVERYTHING AND COME TO FOUND OUT HE DID FRONT HIS SELF THAT HE DID DO IT CAUSE HE TOLD ME HE WOULD

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - DID YOU CALL HIM?

LUCAS - UH?

RIDGE - WHEN YOU READ THING IN THE PAPER DID YOU CALL JESSIE OR TALK TO HIM AGAIN?

LUCAS - UH-UH, CAUSE HE WAS ALREADY LOCKED UP WHEN I HEARD ABOUT IT, IN THE PAPER

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - AND EVERYTHING, CAUSE IT HAD THEIR PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE

RIDGE - OKAY, THURSDAY MORNING AFTER THIS WEDNESDAY YOU WENT TO HIS HOUSE

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - HE TELLS YOU HE'S IN SOME TROUBLE?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - AND WHAT DID HE TELL YOU HE WAS IN TROUBLE OVER?

LUCAS - THAT HE REALLY, HE SAID UM, WE HURT, UH.... UH WE HURT A COUPLE OF BOYS, THAT JASON AND DAMIEN KILLED

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - COUPLE, I SAID WAS YOU INVOLVED? HE SAID YEA, I SAID WHAT DID YOU DO? I FINALLY GOT IT TALKED OUT OF HIM WHAT DID HE DO, HE SAID I HIT UH, A COUPLE IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD

RIDGE - OKAY, AND

LUCAS - AND EVERYTHING TO KEEP THEM FROM RUNNING AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - AND THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD YOU?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - AND THIS IS ON THURSDAY MORNING?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY.

LUCAS - THE TWO SHOES HE GAVE ME, AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - DID HE GIVE YOU SOME SHOES ON THAT THURSDAY MORNING?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY, AND DESCRIBE TO ME HOW HE GAVE YOU THOSE SHOES?

LUCAS - HE... HE PICKED UP AND STARTED TO HAND THEM TO ME. ALL THE SUDDENLY HE DROPPED THEM, AND BROKE OUT IN SWEAT, CRYING EVERYTHING ELSE, HE SAID MAN TAKE THOSE SHOES I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM NO MORE, I SAID YOUR SURE? AND EVERYTHING, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THOSE SHOES AT HIS HOUSE, HE SAID, I SAID ARE THEY YOURS? HE SAID YEA. SO I SAID, HE SAID TAKE THEM I DON;T WANT TO SEE THEM NO MORE, I SAID ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THEM? AND HE SAID YEA, AND EVERYTHING SO THERE WASN'T NOTHING ON THE SHOES AND EVERYTHING SO TURN AROUND HE GOING, I GOT THE SHOES I WENT HOME AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - AFTER YOU GOT THE SHOES DID HE SAY, WHAT DID HE SAY EXACTLY TO YOU ABOUT THOSE SHOES?

LUCAS - THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THEM ANYMORE AND

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - AND EVERYTHING HE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM SHOES

RIDGE - THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD YOU?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY, DO YOU HAVE THOSE SHOES?

LUCAS - THERE UP THERE WHERE I'M LIVING AT NOW, I'LL GIVE THEM TO YOU AS SOON AS I GET THERE

RIDGE - THAT'S IN EARLE?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY, DESCRIBE THOSE SHOES FOR ME

LUCAS - THEIR WHITE AND UH, GOT BLACK SOLES ON THEM

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - AND I'M THINK THEIR CONVERSE, I'M NOT FOR SURE LIKE I TOLD HIM I NOT FOR SURE

RIDGE - OKAY, AND THOSE SHOES THAT HE GAVE YOU HAVE YOU WORN THEM SINCE THEN?

LUCAS - A COUPLE OF TIMES

RIDGE - AND WHAT WE'VE YOU DOING WHEN YOU WORE THEM?

LUCAS - I WORE THEM AT RICE FIELD

RIDGE - OKAY, SO THOSE TWO TIMES YOU WORN THEM YOU'VE HAD THEM PRETTY WET AND MUDDY, HAS ANYBODY ELSE WORN THEM?

LUCAS - WELL ROBERT HE GOT THEM ON NOW

RIDGE - HE HAS THEM ON?

LUCAS - HE ASK ME THIS MORNING COULD HE WEAR THEM AND TOLD HIM YEA

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - I DIDN'T THINK THEM SHOES HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

RIDGE - OKAY, BUT THOSE ARE THE SHOES THAT JESSIE GAVE YOU?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - THE DAY AFTER THE MURDERS OCCURRED IN WEST MEMPHIS

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY, AND HE HAD TOLD THAT DAY ON THAT THURSDAY MORNING THAT HE AND WHO HAD GONE TO WEST MEMPHIS?

LUCAS - DAMIEN AND JASON

RIDGE - DID HE TELL YOU WHERE THEY WENT?

LUCAS - NO SIR

RIDGE - HE DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT?

LUCAS - (INAUDIBLE)

RIDGE - OKAY, HE TOLD YOU HE WAS IN SOME TROUBLE?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - AND DID HE SAY WHO HE WAS IN TROUBLE WITH?

LUCAS - NU-UH

RIDGE - BUT LATER ON DURING THE CONVERSATION HE TELLS YOU HE'S GOING TO TELL THE POLICE WHAT HAPPENNED?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - OKAY, THEN NOW IT'S ALMOST A MONTH BEFORE HE GETS ARRESTED, YOU REALIZE THAT?

LUCAS - I KNOW

RIDGE - OKAY, DURING THAT MONTH DID YOU TALK TO HIM AGAIN AND ASK WHY HE DIDN'T TELL THE POLICE?

LUCAS - UH-UH

RIDGE - YOU DIDN'T TALK TO HIM AGAIN?

LUCAS - UH-UH, CAUSE I WENT BACK, I DIDN;T GO BACK OVER TO MY MOM'S BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF HARVEST AND THAT AND EVERYTHING TRYING TO GET OUT CROPS OUT AND I DIDN'T HAVE TIME

RIDGE - OKAY, SO YOU DIDN'T COME TO THE POLICE EITHER?

LUCAS - UH-UH

RIDGE - WHY DID YOU NOT COME TO THE POLICE?

LUCAS - I WAS AFRAID THAT YOU ALL WOULD LOCK ME UP FOR IT, I DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - DID HE SAID HE WOULD DO IT, AND EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO WAIT AND SEE IF HE WOULD DO IT, THEN IF HE DIDN'T I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU ALL THAT HE DID IT

RIDGE - BUT THEN ABOUT A MONTH LATER HE DID TELL TEH POLICE ABOUT IT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, YOU KNOWN JESSIE FOR A LONG TIME?

LUCAS - ABOUT A YEAR

RIDGE - OKAY, YOU KNOW WHEN JESSIE TELLS A LIE AND WHEN HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - WHEN HE WAS TELLING YOU THESE THINGS THAT HAD HAPPENNED ON THAT WEDNESDAY BEFORE ON THIS THURSDAY DID YOU BELIEVE WHAT HE WAS TELLING YOU TO BE TRUE?

LUCAS - YEA, I COULD, COULD SEE IT IN HIS EYES

RIDGE - YOU KNEW HE WAS TELLING YOU THE TRUTH?

LUCAS - UH-HUH

RIDGE - SO YOU'VE KNOWN HIM LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW WHEN HE'S LYING AND TELLING THE TRUTH?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, UM, ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT ANY CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH JESSIE? HAVE YOU TALKED WITH HIM WHEN HE WAS IN JAIL?

LUCAS - NO SIR

RIDGE - HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIS FATHER OR ANYBODY LIKE THAT?

LUCAS - NO SIR

RIDGE - SINCE HE'S BEEN IN JAIL?

LUCAS - NO SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, THOSE SHOES WE'LL PICK THEM UP IN A LITTLE WHILE

LUCAS - RIGHT

RIDGE - YOU GOING TO TAKE US TO WHERE THEY ARE THAT'S RIGHT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, I'M GOING TO REQUEST AND ASK YOUR PERMISSION, I'M NOT FORCING YOU, BUT WILL YOU PERMIT US TO GET YOUR FINGER PRINTS, FOOT PRINTS, HAIR SAMPLES?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT?

LUCAS - NO SIR

RIDGE - ALRIGHT, I'M GOING, OFFICER DURHAM WILL YOU GO GET A CONSENT TO SEARCH FORM, AND I'LL FILL IT OUT WE'LL WRITE IN

LUCAS - ANYTHING TO HELP YOU ALL OUT

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - CAUSE YOU ALL, I.... I FEEL SO GOOD, I TOLD YOU (INAUDIBLE)

RIDGE - OKAY, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME BEFORE

LUCAS- HUNDRED PERCENT BETTER

RIDGE - YOU BOUGHT CAME FORWARD WITH THIS INFORMATION

LUCAS - OKAY

RIDGE - WERE YOU JUST SCARED OF US OR SCARED YOU WERE HURTING JESSIE, WHAT WERE YOU SCARED OF?

LUCAS - THE REASON I DIDN'T COME UH, THEN BEFORE HE TOLD YOU ALL EVERYTHING, BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID IF I DID THAT HE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY HURT ME

RIDGE - YOU WERE AFRAID JESSIE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY TO HURT YOU?

LUCAS - YES SIR, HE KNOWS ALOT OF PEOPLE, THAT I DON'T KNOW

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - I'M AFRAID HE WOULD HAVE SOME BODY HURT ME AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - DID YOU KNOW JASON?

LUCAS - I'VE TALKED TO HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES

RIDGE - ALRIGHT, DAMIEN DID YOU KNOW HIM?

LUCAS - NOT EVERY SINCE HE PICKED ME UP OFF THE GROUND MY LOOKING AT ME, I MEAN I GOT SCARED OF HIM

RIDGE - YOUR SCARED OF DAMIEN?

LUCAS - (INAUDIBLE)

RIDGE - OKAY, DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAD ANY PART OR ANY DEALINGS IN A SATANIC CULT? CULT LIKE GROUP?

LUCAS - I KNEW DAMIEN AND JASON DID BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT WOULD BUT JESSIE I DIDN'T, SWEAR I SURE DIDN'T, IT SHOCK ME

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - I MEAN AFTER MOM, THAT DAY I HEARD ABOUT IT I CAME UP THERE WHERE SHE WORKED AT, ALRIGHT TEARS WERE OUT OF HER AND MINE BOTH SHE TOLD ME SHE SAID IT WILL BE ALRIGHT

RIDGE - UH

LUCAS - EVERYTHING

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - THE REASON WHY I DIDN'T TELL YOU ALL BEFORE HE DID, BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID HE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY HURT ME

RIDGE - OKAY, SO YOU'RE LIVING AWAY FROM HERE NOW IN EARLE IS THAT RIGHT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - AND

LUCAS - BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO RAN FROM YOU ALL OR NOTHING

RIDGE - OKAY, WHAT IS THE ADDRESS OVER THERE WHERE YOU LIVE?

LUCAS - I DON'T KNOW

RIDGE - OKAY, THE ADDRESS WHERE WE CAME AND PICKED YOU UP IS EARLE RURAL ROUTE I BELIEVE IT'S ROUTE 1. POSSIBLY ROUTE 2 BUT THE BOX NUMBER IS 581, IS THAT RIGHT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, AND WHAT IS THE MAN'S NAME THAT YOU ARE STAYING WITH?

LUCAS - FREDDIE WILSON

RIDGE - FREDDIE, OKAY, AND WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR NOW?

LUCAS - I'M WORKING FOR JIM

RIDGE - IT'S A FARM

LUCAS - THIS IS SO (INAUDIBLE) SOMETIMES I FORGET HIS LAST NAME AND EVERYTHING

RIDGE - I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME A RIGHTS OR A CONSENT TO SEARCH FORM AND WHAT I'M GOING TO DO OS TODAY'S DATE 10-14 OF 93 THE TIME IS 1:44 P.M. WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT. I BUDDY SIDNEY LUCAS

LUCAS - I MEAN I FEEL SO GOOD NOW YOU ALL TALKED TO ME

RIDGE - OKAY, YOUR GOING TO AUTHORIZE , HAVING BEEN INFORMED OF MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT NOT TO HAVE A SEARCH MADE OF THE PREMISES HEREAFTER MENTIONED WITHOUT A SEARCH WARRANT OR OF MY RIGHT TO REFUSE TO CONSENT TO SUCH A SEARCH. IN OTHER WORDS YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET US HAVE ANY OF THESE SAMPLES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET US SEARCH ANYWHERE, YOUR VOLUNTEERING TO GIVE US THIS INFORMATION, THESE SAMPLES IS THAT CORRECT?

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, I HEREBY AUTHORIZE, I'M DETECTIVE BRYN RIDGE

LUCAS - I AIN'T GOT NOTHING TO HOLD BACK (INAUDIBLE)

RIDGE - OKAY, AND DETECTIVE BILL DURHAM

LUCAS - I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE BOUGHT UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS

RIDGE - OKAY, OF THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CONDUCT A COMPLETE SEARCH OF MY PREMISES, I'M GOING TO STRIKE OUT PREMISES RIGHT HERE AND I'M GOING TO SAY BODY. BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE NEEDING FROM YOU IS YOUR FINGER PRINTS, YOUR HAIR, AND I'M NOT CERTAIN RIGHT NOW BUT I'M GOING TO SAY YOUR BODY WE MAY WANT A BLOOD SAMPLE, HAVE YOU EVER HAD BLOOD DRAW, YOU'VE BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL BEFORE SO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT?

LUCAS - I DON'T LIKE THAT, UH

RIDGE - WELL GET A DOCTOR TO DO IT, YOU DON;T HAVE ANY PROBLEM GIVING US A BLOOD SAMPLE TO

LUCAS - I MEAN I DONT LIKE THE NEEDLES

RIDGE - OKAY, BUT IF WE NEED IT YOU'LL BE WILLING TO GIVE IT?

LUCAS - YEA

RIDGE - OKAY

LUCAS - IF YOU ALL NEED IT I WILL

RIDGE - AND YOUR LOCATED RIGHT NOW AT THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT

LUCAS - ALL I GOT TO SAY, I GOT NOTHING TO HOLD BACK

RIDGE - YEA, THE OFFICERS ARE AUTHORIZED MY ME TO TAKE FROM MY PREMISES, I'M GOING TO PUT A SLANT LINE RIGHT HERE AND PUT BODY, AND PAPERS, AND MATERIALS, OR OTHER PROPERTY, WHICH THEY MAY DESIRE, AND I'M GOING TO WRITE IN HERE INCLUDING A PAIR OF TENNIS SHOES, HAIR SAMPLES, FINGER PRINTS, FOOT PRINTS

LUCAS - YOU ALL AIN'T GOING TO DRAW BLOOD TODAY ARE YOU?

RIDGE - (INAUDIBLE) IF WE DID WE WOULD DO IT AT THE HOSPITAL, I DON'T, I'M.... I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FIND OUT BUT I'M GOING TO INCLUDE IT

LUCAS - ALRIGHT

RIDGE - OKAY, AND BLOOD SAMPLE, THIS WRITTEN PERMISSION IS BEING GIVEN TO... BY ME TO THE ABOVE NAMED OFFICERS VOLUNTARILY AND WITHOUT THREATS OR PROMISES OF ANY KIND IS THAT ALL, WE'RE NOT THREATENING YOU?

LUCAS - NO

RIDGE - SO OKAY, I NEED YOU TO SIGN RIGHT THERE ON THAT LINE. AND I WILL WITNESS IT, AND ASK DETECTIVE DURHAM TO WITNESS IT ALSO. AND IN THIS REMARKS PART OF THIS THE ONLY THING WE'VE LOOKING FOR IS EVIDENCE CONCERNING THIS CASE

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - I'M GOING TO PUT IN REMARKS ON THIS FORM OUR CASE NUMBER WHICH 93-05-0666, THAT'S THE CASE NUMBER THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE OKAY, THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE ARE CONCERNED WITH

LUCAS - YOU WANT ME TO SIGN IT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM?

RIDGE - YEA - YEAH SIGN RIGHT THERE TO SHOW THAT.... THAT I ADDED THAT ONE PORTION.

LUCAS - RIGHT HERE

RIDGE - RIGHT HERE

LUCAS - OH

RIDGE - OKAY, AT THIS POINT OFFICER DURHAM CAN YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO INCLUDE IN THIS INTERVIEW?

DURHAM - HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANYONE ELSE ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD WITH JESSIE MISSKELLEY?

LUCAS - NO SIR

DURHAM - DO YOU KNOW IF JESSIE MISKELLEY HAS HAD COVERSATIONS WITH ANYONE ELSE TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE CONCERNING THESE MURDERS?

LUCAS - NO SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, I'LL CONCLUDE THIS INTERVIEW AT THIS POINT THE TIME RIGHT NOW IS 1:49 P.M. THIS WILL CONCLUDE THIS PORTION OF THE INTERVIEW, I'M GOING TO LEAVE EVERYTHING RUNNING RIGHT NOW, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ARE YOU GOING TO CONSENT TO A POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION IN A FEW MINUTES? IF IT NEED BE

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION IS?

LUCAS - WELL WHAT IS POLYGRAPH

RIDGE - IT'S A LIE DETECTOR

LUCAS - OKAY

RIDGE - IT'S IN OTHER WORDS HE'LL HOOK YOU UP TO A MACHINE AND ASK YOU A SERIES OF QUESTIONS AND THEN IT WILL SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOUR TELLING THE TRUTH

LUCAS - YES SIR

RIDGE - YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH TAKING THE POLYGRAPH TEST?

LUCAS - NO SIR

RIDGE - OKAY, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT LATER, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT IT ON TAPE BUT I SEPERATED THIS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION FROM THE REST OF THE TYPE BY ENDING THE TIME A SECOND AGO.

LUCAS - ALRIGHT

RIDGE - OKAY, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO CONCLUDE THIS INTERVIEW THE TIME IS 1:50 P.M.

[Farm]

After the tape was over, Officer Ridge readily admitted to me that as soon as Buddy finished his statement, he refused to take a polygraph exam to confirm same, and even recanted everything he said on the tape.

That's odd, Dan... Here's his polygraph.

[mikespadre]

Sounds like ol' dan has selective memory.........

the only person running around threatening witnesses and did a great job of it by the way was ron lax, he was running around like a chicken with his head cut off making damn sure to intimidate any prospective witnesses that may some how hurt those child murdering bastards cases.... I wonder just how much money ol' ron has made off this case over the years, I am willing to bet he still has his hand in the candy jar every chance he gets.

[Storm]

I have been going over court transcripts to refresh my memory and all... You know, all these witnesses were saying one thing, all against the 3, and then all of a sudden gets near court time, and Ron Lax somehow talks to them, and all recant. This Buddy Lucas failed a poly. That one that farm showed.. That shows right there, he was telling the truth with his first interview, and lied during the recantation. Same with William Jones. He says one thing...the same thing for months, then the day before he is to testify, ron lax gets a hold of him, and he recants everything. what kind of bs is that. William Jones says he lied to his mom and aunt about Damien saying he did it, but his mom called the police so he had to keep up the lie. Um, Idk about anyone else, but if my lie went to the police, I wouldnt keep that lie up. I would be like, "Im so sorry, no i didnt see anything" I know he isnt me, but come on..LOL

[mikespadre]

exactly.... imagine that.

[Storm]

I think it all too convenient. Buddy Lucas, William Jones, Kevin and Keith whatever (brothers that supposedly went wrestling) Denis Carter and Fred Reville, all of them recanted statements, or said they just didnt remember things at the time of their interviews. But come court time, they all remember now, and what they said before was either that they didnt know, or that the officer making notes completely lied, even though the witnesses signed their notes. and funny how they all finally remembered exactly what happened and who they were with and what day after talking to Ron Lax. Now I dont know if Mr. Lax said anything to change their minds, I dont know what happened..but i know what it looks like.