Damiens anti depressant can CAUSE delusions....

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[taylorjaysmommy]

Lack of forensics I guess is the main one. I just find it hard to believe they could have done this without leaving something behind

Then the children must still be alive. 

[Kimbo]

What about the items that weren't tested, Emmaline?

What about the fact that it wasn't a closed environment?

How about the wee point that it was 1993, pre CSI and all that jazz?

You can't swing from "the cops were inept" to "they gathered everything".

It's one or the other.

[Rudder]

How about the wee point that it was 1993, pre CSI and all that jazz?

This is an interesting point. I remember the novelty of dna when the public in general were introduced to the science during the OJ trial in 95. As dna evidence grew and became mainstream, I'm sure evidence collecting has evolved along with it...specifically, collecting evidence with dna testing in mind.

[emmaline]

This is exactly why I can't make a decision either way. Maybe I never will.

[taylorjaysmommy]

This is exactly why I can't make a decision either way. Maybe I never will.

I can completely respect that. 
Maybe you shouldn't even try to make a decision.   
However the obvious denial, the justification and the making of excuses is just wrong.
Truthfully our making a big deal out of making a decision and having an opinion on it is a bit funny anyway.  In the long run, none of our decisions, or opinions are going to matter a damn to the outcome anyway.   

[FishmongerDave]

Re: Damiens anti depressant can CAUSE delusions....

Yes!  They can cause delusions AND, interestingly enough -- the meds also cause all forensic evidence to disappear.  They make it so three guys, two of whom have long hair, will not leave a single hair at a crime scene.  The meds also automatically erase footprints, fingerprints, DNA of all types, and any other physical evidence of any kind .... right?  You happy fucking morons.

The killer did leave forensics -- his hair in the binding of a child (not his), his friend's hair (hello?) via transference to him and then to the discovery scene, and an imprint of a tennis shoe -- Terry's size, not Jason Damien nor Jessie's size.  And a string of lies from a man who molested his own daughter (as well as sexually assaulting his neighbor) desperately attempting to create an alibi...


Damn, too bad Mr. Hobbs wasn't taking the meds... in light of its magical properties in erasing evidence.

But, wait, this thread has gone completely off-topic.  Let's get back to our old favorite -- how crraaazzzyyy Damien was.  I mean, that was good enough to convict him on 5/6/93 at the scene of the crime ("looks like that Damien Echols finally killed someone") and should be good enough today.  It sure makes a better case than any of this nonsense about forensic evidence (or logic or knowledge of the most likely suspect when a child is killed or .... oh stop, let's get back to how crazy Damien was...  You cretins).


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Hobbs'  Feb 3, 2008 ADG interview: "It shames you, something like this. That's the biggest thing I've had to deal with - shame."

[BlackAngel]

Dumbass Dave

That hair in the shoestring is secondary transfer, while your at it making false accusations against Terry, what happened to Damiens and Jason's trench coats, the ones they wore when it was 100 degrees outside so they would look cool, do you think maybe they got some blood on them and hid them somewhere. Or poof they just disappeared. Hey Lorri is begging for money again, since your related why don't you give her a buck or two, then she can take another 2 years off, and use the defensefund to have a good time, you should tell her she should have her teeth fixed her age is catching up with her and shes beginning to look like Mr. Ed come to think of it you do too. Related in some way.

[kerriew]

Dave how the fuck do you sleep at night? First it was Mark now it's Terry. WTF is wrong with you and your pisshead friends? What I find so fucking funny is as soon as Mark stated he was a supporter, all you idiots changed your minds about his guilt in a split second and started following him like some creepy ass cult leader.

[FishmongerDave]

That hair in the shoestring is secondary transfer

I'm really sorry that there are no smaller words I can use so you'd understand, so I'll try some color highlighting and bolding:

The killer did leave forensics -- his hair in the binding of a child (not his), his friend's hair (hello?) via transference to him and then to the discovery scene, and an imprint of a tennis shoe -- Terry's size, not Jason Damien nor Jessie's size.  And a string of lies from a man who molested his own daughter (as well as sexually assaulting his neighbor) desperately attempting to create an alibi...

You've addressed, to the satisfaction of your absurdly dim mind, an explanation for how the killer's hair was in Michael's binding (not his stepson's).  You continue to ignore the bigger issue - how Jacoby's hair gets to the discovery scene. 

I'll spell it out for you again:
    (1) Transfer from Jacoby to Hobbs. 
    (2) Transfer from Hobbs to discovery scene. 

Jacoby is clear he was never in the area of the discovery scene.  There is, therefore, no other reasonable explanation  Jocby --> Hobbs ---> Discovery scene.  You've been befriending / defending a child killer.

The killer did leave forensics --  and an imprint of a tennis shoe -- Terry's size, not Jason Damien nor Jessie's size.[/color=yellow]  And a string of lies from a man who molested his own daughter (as well as sexually assaulting his neighbor) desperately attempting to create an alibi...

The killer did leave forensics -- his hair in the binding of a child (not his), his friend's hair (hello?) via transference to him and then to the discovery scene, and an imprint of a tennis shoe -- Terry's size, not Jason Damien nor Jessie's size.  And a string of lies from a man who molested his own daughter (as well as sexually assaulting his neighbor) desperately attempting to create an alibi..[/color=yellow].

The man is inventing lies as to his whereabouts - saying he saw Dana at a time that she doesn't say she saw him, trying to argue with Mark about when he saw him, and contradicting three neighbors who saw him with the boys when he says he didn't see them all day.

I realize it's a difficult thing to say "I was wrong," especially when it involves a recognition that you've been defending a child killer.  I'd go so far as to say I can understand (at least pre-2007 DNA and pre-2009 neighbor's affidavits) how once upon a time you thought the right guys were convicted, but at this point you're just being prideful and stupid.

Dave how the fuck do you sleep at night? First it was Mark now it's Terry.

Except of course that I was never on the "Mark did it" bandwagon.  I threw one insult at him in the middle of a flame-war (about signing a "getting away with murder" / Papa Roach CD).  No threads from me ever saying Mark did it.  I've always said that, between behavior and Kershaw knife, one could make as good as case against Mark as the one against the WM3 ... that is to say, a piece of shit circumstantial case that would only convince the happiest of morons.  Any speculation along those lines ended with the DNA - Jacoby's more than Hobbs - and the revelations as to the string of desperate lies Hobbs has told, his sexual abuse of his daughter, his physical abuse of Stevie, etc etc (see other thread for 50+ lies).  The case against Hobbs is 10 times the one anyone can make against Mark or the WM3.  I don't accuse easily on something like this.... and I openly accuse Hobbs.  He killed the boys and has been playing you for years.  Mark (and Pam) "got it" and you won't.

[kerriew]

Damien has also been playing supporters for years. What I don't understand is how someone behind bars could manipulate so many people. At least Manson and Jones talked to their wacky followers and they even had drugs to manipulate. Now that I can understand but from a prison cell? Wow! He is either very smart (which I doubt cause his stupidity shows in his writings and when the idiot talks. His lack of education shows) or you guys are really fucking stupid. I vote for stupid.

[BlackAngel]

Ok Dickhead

The killer did leave forensics -- his hair in the binding of a child (not his), his friend's hair (hello?) via transference to him and then to the discovery scene, and an imprint of a tennis shoe -- Terry's size, not Jason Damien nor Jessie's size.  And a string of lies from a man who molested his own daughter (as well as sexually assaulting his neighbor) desperately attempting to create an alibi...

I made it bright maybe you will be able to read it. So the hair was in a child that was not his, so.
The kids played at Terry's house it could have easily been picked up, understanding that you had no friends when you were a little kid I could see your point. There is no proof that the Tennis shoe was from Terry's shoes. Hell they could have been Damien. Jessie's or Jason's since they traded clothing because they were nothing more than white trash, I usually don't say white trash but that seems to be one of Damiens favorite saying.

You've addressed, to the satisfaction of your absurdly dim mind, an explanation for how the killer's hair was in Michael's binding (not his stepson's).  You continue to ignore the bigger issue - how Jacoby's hair gets to the discovery scene. 

I'll spell it out for you again:
    (1) Transfer from Jacoby to Hobbs. 
    (2) Transfer from Hobbs to discovery scene. 

Jacoby is clear he was never in the area of the discovery scene.  There is, therefore, no other reasonable explanation  Jocby --> Hobbs ---> Discovery scene.  You've been befriending / defending a child killer.






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The killer did leave forensics --  and an imprint of a tennis shoe -- Terry's size, not Jason Damien nor Jessie's size.[/color=yellow]  And a string of lies from a man who molested his own daughter (as well as sexually assaulting his neighbor) desperately attempting to create an alibi...




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The killer did leave forensics -- his hair in the binding of a child (not his), his friend's hair (hello?) via transference to him and then to the discovery scene, and an imprint of a tennis shoe -- Terry's size, not Jason Damien nor Jessie's size.  And a string of lies from a man who molested his own daughter (as well as sexually assaulting his neighbor) desperately attempting to create an alibi..[/color=yellow].


The man is inventing lies as to his whereabouts - saying he saw Dana at a time that she doesn't say she saw him, trying to argue with Mark about when he saw him, and contradicting three neighbors who saw him with the boys when he says he didn't see them all day.

I realize it's a difficult thing to say "I was wrong," especially when it involves a recognition that you've been defending a child killer.  I'd go so far as to say I can understand (at least pre-2007 DNA and pre-2009 neighbor's affidavits) how once upon a time you thought the right guys were convicted, but at this point you're just being prideful and stupid.



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Dave how the fuck do you sleep at night? First it was Mark now it's Terry.


Except of course that I was never on the "Mark did it" bandwagon.  I threw one insult at him in the middle of a flame-war (about signing a "getting away with murder" / Papa Roach CD).  No threads from me ever saying Mark did it.  I've always said that, between behavior and Kershaw knife, one could make as good as case against Mark as the one against the WM3 ... that is to say, a piece of shit circumstantial case that would only convince the happiest of morons.  Any speculation along those lines ended with the DNA - Jacoby's more than Hobbs - and the revelations as to the string of desperate lies Hobbs has told, his sexual abuse of his daughter, his physical abuse of Stevie, etc etc (see other thread for 50+ lies).  The case against Hobbs is 10 times the one anyone can make against Mark or the WM3.  I don't accuse easily on something like this.... and I openly accuse Hobbs.  He killed the boys and has been playing you for years.  Mark (and Pam) "got it" and you won't.
 
 
 

[BlackAngel]

My screen keeps jumping.  So listen real closely Terry did not kill those boys. He did not molest Amanda, Amanda is living with Terry because she will not live with mommy dearest, are you following me. You see dickhead Pam Amanda's loving mother knocked 2 of her teeth out on mothers day, nice of her wasn't it. And Guess what Pam went to jail, and guess what else Pam is constantly calling Terry asking him to take her back, he wants nothing do to with her. Amanda loves her father,  bottom line dude.

As for your hero Byers I think he had something to do with Melissa's death, since on the day she died she was planning on leaving his big ass.

And as for Lorri, she had NO FUCKING RIGHT TO DO WHAT SHE DID TOO AMANDA, any bitch that is as hard up as her for a man, that she has too stoop so low as to start writing to someone on death row is nothing but a pathetic fool. 

[Farm]

Poor dave.

Can't even make up his own lies anymore - has to get them from others.