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[TJM]

Farm,
you present a solid argument....   At this time I dont have all the facts at hand to present a convincing rebuttal of your claims about miskelleys confession ... However i thought I had read things that run counter to your claims..... maybe I'll have something tomorrow when the day is younger and clearer than it is at present. Till then we are clearly uncool.....

If Farms argument is so solid.............and you admittedly do not have facts to show  him otherwise.................why is it so important to you to take the rest of the day and tonight to try to find some? 
Your not going to find 'facts' to argue with him anyway. 
So you come here without truly even knowing enough supporter propaganda to argue anything?   That's pretty sad. 

[Tammy]

Storm, I can't take credit for that post.

I dragged it over here because Jessie couldn't have been brow beaten into confessing about everything supporters claim he was fed.

Anyone who thinks like that are in complete denial.

[Storm]

Thats ok Tammy  You copied it and posted it awesomly   and the information in there is very informative

[Tammy]

I've said it once and I'll say it again:

To believe that the convicted are innocent, you'd have to believe that  no less that atleast 15 people would have to be lying.

[Farm]

The Misskelley statements have always best illustrated the mindset of supporters.

"Jessie was interrogated for 12 hours!"

No he wasn't.

"He was mentally handicapped"

No he wasn't - he was malingering even according to his own witness.

"He immediiaetly recanted"

No he didn't - he maintained his guilt to his own attornies months after his arrest.

"He was denied councel"

No he wasn't, he waived it three times in writing.

"He had no parental concent"

His dad went and GOT him for police to question, and signed concent for the polygraph.

"Ofshe said"

Ofshe is a fucking documented fraud.

"He was promised a reduced sentence for his post conviction statement"

The Prosecution had never even spoken to him prior to 2/17.

"I don't care what you say -Misskelley was lying!"

That's because you are a brain-dead idiot.

[Tammy]

"He immediiaetly recanted"

Really? Which time?

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmjune1.html

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmpc.html

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmfeb.html

My absolute favorite statement!! (pssssst!! He made it AFTER he was convicted)

Stidham all but BEGGED him to STFU.

STATEMENT OF JESSIE MISSKELLEY, JR.
FEBRUARY 17, 1994


<snip>

DAVIS: Ok, Now for purposes of the record I want it to reflect that number 1, Mr. Stidham and myself have talked with Judge Burnett and advised of these proceedings. And after discussing this with him he approved or said that we could take a statement with Mr. Misskelley's attorneys present.

STIDHAM: Over my objections.

DAVIS: Over Mr. Stidham's objections. Also for Mr. Misskelley's benefit this statement will be taken with a grant of use of immunity approved by the Court which means that anything in this statement cannot be used in any proceeding against Jessie Misskelley, Jr. in the future, down the road, whatever. Ah, also for the record and ah, Mr. Stidham can add to this. But it's my understanding that any statement Mr. Misskelley gives will be against the advise of his attorney Mr. Stidham and Mr. Crow.

CROW: That's correct.

DAVIS: And for the record that they have requested of the Judge that it be delayed until the Psychiatric Evaluation could be performed. And that the Court indicated that this statement could be taken before that evaluation over the objection of Mr. Stidham.

STIDHAM: That's correct.

DAVIS: And that this statement will be tape recorded and a copy of that tape or that tape will be provided to defense councel and that at this point no promises have been made as to any deals or any benefits that will be granted to Mr. Misskelley as a result of this statement.

________: There has been no negotiations whatsoever primarily due to Mr. Misskelley's refusal to talk to us.

<snip>

STIDHAM: Ok, I also told you that giving a statement was against my advise and wishes.

MISSKELLEY: That's what you said.

STIDHAM: Ok. I am advising you that I don't think it's a good idea for you to give this statement. Do you understand that ?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

STIDHAM: OK. Do you understand that Mr. Crow is giving you the same advise ?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

<snip>

STIDHAM: So you understand that my advise to you is that you not say anything. Do you understand that?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

<snip>

STIDHAM: And that's why I asked the Judge for the opportunity to get you that evaluation before you make any statement. Do you understand that ?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

STIDHAM: And you also understand that again it's my advise that you not talk or give any kind of statement here tonight ..ah.. until we have a chance to file a motion for a new trial and get your Psychiatric Evaluations complete. Do you understand that ?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

STIDHAM: And it is your decision to go ahead and make this statement anyway ?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

STIDHAM: You still want to give a statement despite my advise and counsel?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, cause I want something done about it.

<snip>

STIDHAM: And you want to make my statement regardless of my advise against doing so?

MISSKELLEY: Yep.

<snip>

STIDHAM: Do you realize that once you make this statement there is no turning back?

MISSKELLEY: I know there's no turning back.

STIDHAM: Anything you want to add to that Greg.

CROW: Jessie. You realize that I don't always agree with everything that Dan says but this time I agree with him. I don't think you should say anything. Do you know that? Are you aware of the fact that I don't think you should say anything ?

MISSKELLEY: Yea, I understand what your saying.

CROW: Ok, along as you understand that. But you want to anyway, is that right ?

MISSKELLEY: Right cause I want something done.

CROW: Ok.

<snip>

CALVIN: But you haven't been promised anything for your testimony and you want to give it free and voluntarily.

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

<snip>

STIDHAM: Jessie, listen to me. For the purpose of the tape this is Dan Stidham. Ah.. prior to making this statement you refused to talk to Mr. Crow and I is that correct?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I did.
.
STIDHAM: You didn't want to talk to us?

MISSKELLEY: Nope

STIDHAM: And again we advised you not to make this statement? Is that correct?

MISSKELLEY: Yes

"He was promised a reduced sentence for his post conviction statement"

CALVIN: But you haven't been promised anything for your testimony and you want to give it free and voluntarily.

"He had no parental concent"

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmir.html

DETECTIVE SGT. MIKE ALLEN HAD ASKED JESSIE MISSKELLEY SR. IF IT WERE POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO TALK TO JESSIE JR. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT JESSIE SR. WENT AND PICKED JESSIE JR. UP AT WHICH TIME HE TURNED HIM OVER TO DETECTIVE SGT. MIKE ALLEN...

Know why though?


http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jessiemsr.html

Q: Do you remember having a conversation with little Jessie and Officer Allen about the reward money?

A: Yes, sir.

Q: Do you remember what the nature of that conversation was?

A: Mike Allen was, and Jessie was joking about the, he said, forty thousand dollar reward. He said if Jessie, if they get a conviction out of this that Jessie would get the forty thousand dollar reward and he's gonna buy him a new truck. And Jessie's laughing and said "No I'm not either." He said "I'm gonna buy my daddy a truck and I'm gonna take his old one."

"Jessie was interrogated for 12 hours!"

Let's see:

He made his 1st statement:

Detective Division, todays date is 06/03/93, the time is 2:44Pm.

I am going to conclude this interview, the time is 3:18PM

That accounts for less than 1 hour.

His 3rd:

DAVIS: I've turned the other recorder on for the purposes of this tape. We are at the offices of Joe Calvin attorney. It's 8:02 p.m. on February 17, 1994. Present in the room is Greg Crow.

DAVIS: That would conclude this statement at 8:45 on February 17, 1994.

This time would account for 43 minutes for a combined total of roughly...hell, I'll even add LOTS of extra time (4 additional hours) since I dunno how long it took for Jessie to scarf that "hamburger sandwhich" and the sodas he was given by the mean, horrible people who stood over him whelding a fucking baseball bat.

That adds up to be 5 hrs and 43 minutes just because I'm nice like that.

So now how long do you reckon it took po-leeeeeeece to drive him to Pine Bluff? Anywhere from 6 to 7 hours?

Try again.

That 12 hour integration is bullshit.

 

[TJM]

The Misskelley statements have always best illustrated the mindset of supporters.

"Jessie was interrogated for 12 hours!"

No he wasn't.

"He was mentally handicapped"

No he wasn't - he was malingering even according to his own witness.

"He immediiaetly recanted"

No he didn't - he maintained his guilt to his own attornies months after his arrest.

"He was denied councel"

No he wasn't, he waived it three times in writing.

"He had no parental concent"

His dad went and GOT him for police to question, and signed concent for the polygraph.

"Ofshe said"

Ofshe is a fucking documented fraud.

"He was promised a reduced sentence for his post conviction statement"

The Prosecution had never even spoken to him prior to 2/17.

"I don't care what you say -Misskelley was lying!"

That's because you are a brain-dead idiot.

If only there were enough room..........THAT would be my signature line !    That was an short, sweet, and to the point, awesome post.