Why Mark Byers (and other former nons) became supporters / Why Hobbs is guilty

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[flexj]

Yea you didn't say he was guilty, but my low intellect tells me the only reason you come here and post that shit is because you do believe he is guilty. After 16 years wouldn't you think that the people that do know him here on this board have already heard this BS. Your a piece of shit watson. You haven't cited anything new and you are definitely unoriginal

[Farm]

Oh, I see.

No, I don't think that you do.

since all your IQs are low, I can see how you could think that you were having intelligent conversations with the guy.

Yet you are without question the most incredibly stupid person who posts here.

Let me show you....

No one that has testified against him has anything to gain.

You see how stupid you are?

Nobody HAS testified against him.

Why do you suppose that is?

Pam's family has nothing to gain from coming forward about the sexual abuse

Amanda has no reason to lie about it either, but you are positive that she is.

You're a pathetic imbecile, CE.

And because I disagree with you on certain things I automatically know "nothing" about the case.

No, you know nothing about this case because you are a mindless fucking idiot.

If your head was any further up your ass, you would turn inside out.

[Mary7875]

Sherry made a post about websleuths awhile back:

http://www.downonthefarm.org/wm3hoax/board/index.php/topic,7155.0.html

I'll stand by my original assessment.

Years ago, when Websleuths began, they had a lot of smart cookies.  People who took the time to research before expressing an opinion. 

But the quality of the posters has really deteriorated.  Now it's full of the bandwagon bunch.

[cewatson]

He's still a liar about a lot of things, that's all I was pointing out.
And if the other supporters get their way, and he's brought to trial, I'm sure they would testify against his character. At least some of them. Excuse the hell out of me for saying "testified." They've all made statements about him, that better?

And he hardly remembers anything after 17 years ... you expect Amanda to? Kids block out traumatic things in their life. Are you saying those weren't her journals that said she didn't know if she was sexually abused or not? I'm not claiming she's a liar, just her dad, and that's quite obvious from the deposition. This board is infamous for putting words in poster's mouths just to fit whatever BS you want to talk about.  Again, I never said he was guilty, and I don't think his deposition proves he's guilty in the slightest, but there's a lot that's questionable. But of course, instead of debating and pointing out why you find him to be a truthful man or a man of good character, you'd rather call me names. Telling me you've spoken with him doesn't tell me anything. This is the internet. Anyone can make shit up.

And I've done the research, I've read the documents, the multiple confessions (which I'll admit are extremely damning, especially the post conviction statement), I've seen/read multiple interviews, I've looked at the pictures, read the newspaper articles ... I'm not making an uninformed opinion when I say the 3 were doomed from the beginning and deserve a new trial, so quit accusing me of that.

Farm, I imagine you don't see any more sunlight than Damien does. What a pathetic loser you are, living on this board, waiting to jump down anyone's throat and call them names if they disagree with you. Why make such a big deal from the conclusions I gather about Terry Hobbs? They're just my personal opinions, don't get your panties in such a fucking twist about it. Have a CONVERSATION. If this is what your conversations are like, then I really don't doubt you've never had an intelligent one with TH.

[auburnesq]

And if the other supporters get their way, and he's brought to trial, I'm sure they would testify against his character. At least some of them.

Only If the convictions are overturned and if he goes to trial and if he testifies and if he opens the door with his testimony...

[Sherry]

And I've done the research, I've read the documents, the multiple confessions (which I'll admit are extremely damning, especially the post conviction statement),

then....

I'm not making an uninformed opinion when I say the 3 were doomed from the beginning and deserve a new trial, so quit accusing me of that.

I'll never understand that.  That is completely mind boggling to me.  You admit that his confessions were EXTREMELY damning...especially the post conviction confession and then you still go on to talk about your "opinion" and that they deserve a new trial.

So, just to recap.....In one hand you have the Extremely damning facts of the case.....in the other you have your "opinion" ....and you are OK with just giving them a new trial.....just mind boggling to me.

It's true what everyone says about supporters......the real victims in this case are just an afterthought.

[Kimbo]

It is intensely rude, CE, that you choose to not accept what Amanda says. Almost abusive in itself.

Of course, you can think what you want. You can say she CHOOSES to block it out. Do you know her at all?

What the fuck gives you the right to presume or pretend or try and second guess what she means when she is saying it didn't happen?

I hope you know how completely derogative you are being in this instance. Boooooooo.

Not YOUR fucking call. Can you sort of get that?

[flexj]

He's still a liar about a lot of things, that's all I was pointing out.

No you were not. You believe the 3 to be innocent, and your whole purpose is to accuse Terry Hobbs.  Just because you didn't SAY it, doesn't mean the inference is not there.

This board is infamous for putting words in poster's mouths just to fit whatever BS you want to talk about.

This board is infamous for pointing out just how ignorant supporters are.

Telling me you've spoken with him doesn't tell me anything. This is the internet. Anyone can make shit up.

Again you make assumptions about things you no nothing about, maybe if you would spend time reading the board, you would realize that Most of the ole' timers here know some of the parents very well. 

I'm not making an uninformed opinion when I say the 3 were doomed from the beginning and deserve a new trial, so quit accusing me of that.

Sure you are.  The 3 doomed themselves and just because YOU don't like how it was handled you want to give them an opportunity for freedom. 

And I've done the research, I've read the documents, the multiple confessions (which I'll admit are extremely damning, especially the post conviction statement)

Just because you say you have doesn't prove anything.  This is the internet. Anyone can make shit up.  REMEMBER

They're just my personal opinions

Well then keep them PERSONAL because you clearly have not brought anything new to discuss.

Your problem Watson is that you came here with out really knowing anything outside of Devils Knot.  Instead of reading this board thoroughly, and getting to know some of the people, you decided that you would post your ignorance all over this board.   You should have kept your mouth shut with your stupid opinions asked questions without being confrontational.  It would have gone a lot better for you here.

[cewatson]

Auburnesq, I said if, and I agree, there's a lot of ifs.

Sherry ... yes, it was damning ... but I'm still not entirely convinced it was true. It's just a statement, it's not hard evidence. What would be his reason to try to "throw them off" when he had already confessed? What point was there? I think he may said that instead of admitting he didn't know how the boys were tied up. I think it's a possibility he was offered some kind of deal ... tell us what we need and we'll let you go. You tell a lie enough if becomes true to you.  Especially someone of his below-average mental capacity. Even his error-riddled confessions that began to change to the prosecution's liking.

I honestly don't think there would have been convictions without that confession. They NEEDED it to get this case closed.

So everyone back off on the insults and have an actual discussion, because no where above have I claimed to know for sure, but I think these are possibilities ... and taking everything into account ... there's a lot that doesn't fit.  You guys look stupid getting so mad over all this. I know you're not stupid, and you have many valid points ... but present them in a less angry way, maybe? It would be more effective if you want to get me to see your side. Otherwise I just get mad back, and nothing is accomplished.

And why are you guys so scared of a new trial anyway? If you think this case is so conclusive and the right people are in prison, why aren't you more confident that they'll stay there? Who cares if I think they deserve a new trial? That's my opinion against yours, and if everything you believe is true, it's not going to make a difference one way or another.

And Kimbo, I never claimed to not believe Amanda, I was just presenting the possibility that she may not remember. Never said she CHOSE not to remember, or that she's pretending not to be a victim. She may be a victim without even realizing it is all I said. Can you not read? And it's not like I have a reason to believe Amanda over anyone else. Anyways, the allegations happened, don't act like I brought them against him or I'm trying to make them up.  There's nothing you can say that takes them back. 

[justice]

Yep Terry Hobbs is innocent! He said so and we all know he isn't a liar, doesn't have a violent past, was never interrogated by the WMPD until 14 years later, and he never abused Stevie, Pam, and Amanda or any of his family or in-laws.  I think that qualifies him as innocent!! 

[flexj]

Yep Terry Hobbs is innocent! He said so and we all know he isn't a liar, doesn't have a violent past, was never interrogated by the WMPD until 14 years later, and he never abused Stevie, Pam, and Amanda or any of his family or in-laws.  I think that qualifies him as innocent!! 

I see you came to support your girlfriend...

[kerriew]

Justice what the fuck is wrong with you? Take your stupid ass back to the pisshead board and ask Mark Byers about his violent past. He makes Terry look like Mickey Mouse. Why you are at, why don't you do some research on your three Freak Town poster boys. Here is a hint. All  of the child murdering bastards had violent backgrounds.

[justice]

Yep Terry Hobbs is innocent! He said so and we all know he isn't a liar, doesn't have a violent past, was never interrogated by the WMPD until 14 years later, and he never abused Stevie, Pam, and Amanda or any of his family or in-laws.  I think that qualifies him as innocent!! 

I see you came to support your girlfriend...

Real funny I bet you were class clown. Do you really think that all supporters know one another? LMAO............

[Kimbo]

I never claimed to not believe Amanda, I was just presenting the possibility that she may not remember.

Yes, and read my post again if you need to. May I present the possibility you can't remember what you just said? Does that make sense to you?

Again, your insinuation, or whatever it is, that Amanda is not in charge of her own present thoughts, especially in a matter so serious, is not only unreasonably presumptuous, it is incredibly rude.

"Pretending not to be a victim" while not realizing it?

Look, mate, I can read quite well. You are making extremely offensive comments.

I'm sorry for you that you see that as an insult.

You want to give every viscous, hideous child killer a new trial? Well good for you. Thank goodness the justice system doesn't work like that.

[flexj]

Yep Terry Hobbs is innocent! He said so and we all know he isn't a liar, doesn't have a violent past, was never interrogated by the WMPD until 14 years later, and he never abused Stevie, Pam, and Amanda or any of his family or in-laws.  I think that qualifies him as innocent!! 

I see you came to support your girlfriend...

Real funny I bet you were class clown. Do you really think that all supporters know one another? LMAO............

Hey what you 2 do is your business