Why Mark Byers (and other former nons) became supporters / Why Hobbs is guilty

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[sheer]

I read your post before you edited it Addict.

Before you edited it, it read like this;

No worries. I understand being tired of it all too well myself.

That was nice and reminded me of the old Addict. Then you edited it to add the pity party shit. You've been spending too much time with Chase.



sheer

[Kimbo]

Maybe Addict is just disgrunted because she forgot those pants and Chase is blocking her driveway.

It's so annoying when you have to ask someone to MOVE PLEASE and you're already five minutes late.

I'm sure Chase doesn't have her own circle of Hell. That's just silly (and unsustainable).

[flexj]

I'm sure you have an 'explanation' for that by now,

Fuck off Addict.


sheer

It was a real question. I'm not sure why you're so pissed, unless you don't like the fact that "explanation" was put in quotes.

As far as disregarding inconsistencies, it's quite easy. Hurst was very obviously relating what Echols had told him. Echols didn't tell him the whole truth because he probably assumed Hurst would inform on him and was trying to lessen his involvement and point fingers in other directions.

I guess that's possible. I don't think it's the only possibility, but I do appreciate that you answered my question.

eta: In another thread recently, flexj said something about a "word" being used (by Farm?) to describe what Echols was doing when talking to Hurst. I was curious what that word was, but I haven't located the thread flexj was talking about. Sounded like it could have been a different explanation than yours, which is the one usually used when facts don't match up in alleged statements made by the wm3 to other people about their involvement in the crime. I got the impression from flexj that maybe some of you had a different view on Echols/Hurst, but maybe I'm wrong.

Sorry Addict, I know Iread something and believe it to have been from Farm, but I cant seem to find it.

But here is a link that kinda explains what i was referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference

[addict]

I read your post before you edited it Addict.

Before you edited it, it read like this;

No worries. I understand being tired of it all too well myself.

That was nice and reminded me of the old Addict. Then you edited it to add the pity party shit. You've been spending too much time with Chase.



sheer

Actually, that was a reaction to Farm and not Chase. If you think Chase influences anything I say/do then you are mistaken (if you think I am better 'friends' with her than people she fights with, then you might be wrong as well - that's all a waste of posting space, if you ask me). I would talk "case" more often with everyone if it was not so fucked up all the time. And, yes, I said I'd be around here less often... I never said I was disappearing completely. 

I try to be a good board member (and bring stuff up in the correct place/thread), but I can't find the post I was discussing this in...  It had to do with Jessie and leading questions. I'm interested in your feedback cause I know it's come up on this board before...

http://thewm3.yuku.com/reply/1928/t/Jessie-s-1st-Confession.html#reply-1928

p.s. Thanks for the term, flex... I had a feeling that might have been it, but I was wondering.

[addict]

ps... Flex... Transference? What do you think of it? How does it explain Damien & Hurst?

[kerriew]

IMO I think transference is bullshit. I don't think we need to make up fancy things for why we don't like someone or why we are attracted to other people. I don't like people because they are assholes not because they remind me of my overbearing mother. I am also attracted to someone based on personality and sometimes their looks not because they remind me of my father. Freud was sexualy depressed, coke sniffing, opium smoking weirdo anyway

[whitelilly]

I’ll tell you why I became a non: Jessie’s confession and the 500.

Looking at the supporter comments on the 48 Hours website, so many people have written “I saw the documentaries and read Devil’s Knot. There is NO WAY these three are guilty”.

I am so embarrassed to say that the reason I was a supporter was because I saw PL2 and read Devil’s Knot. I bought into it. I knew what the nons were saying, but I figured all these people can’t be wrong (IE: Mara Leveritt, all the ‘celeb’ supporters, the film makers, even JMB). I am horrified to admit that I even donated $100 to the defence fund back in 2007 when I first saw PL2 on TV here.

I copped some flak on a certain board for switching sides so quickly and becoming non. On another post here that I was reading in the archives, somebody had questioned how Jessie could be coerced into something so serious as a confession to triple homicide, but his own lawyer couldn’t convince him to shut up and save himself. I knew from Devil’s Knot that Jessie kept confessing despite Stidham begging him not to, but didn’t make the connection.

At that point I had started to be a bit of a fence sitter and kept changing my mind about whether or not I believed the three were guilty.

But when I read the post about the confession and Stidamt on the board, maybe it was the way it was stated, but it was a lightbulb moment for me. I thought, hmmm, he is NOT so easily coerced after all.

Then when I read the 500 again, this time without the supporter goggles, I was able to listen to that little voice inside me - the one I ignored as a supporter - that said Damien Echols is not just a poor, picked-on misunderstood soul suffering a terrible illness. I saw that he is a total sociopath and more than capable of the murders.

So yes, while my switch was rather fast, it was genuine. I think I had some doubts all along but ignored them because I thought that the filmmakers and Mara were reliable and credible. I just jumped into supporter mode with both feet and wanted to believe the WM3 were innocent.

Now I am a non it feels more genuine. I feel stronger in my conviction as a non than I did as a supporter.

I have to wonder, how many other supporters are like I was, just supporting because they believe in the documentaries, the books and groupies? I wonder what the percentage is of people who have seen the light and seen the right people are locked up for this horrid crime?

[addict]

I'm not sure who asked you why you became a non... That was probably more pages back than me. (The last I remember, we were talking about Jason.) You can believe whatever you want and you should believe whatever makes sense to you. I'm still interested in your view on Damien/Hurst or Ridge/leading questions, but I'm guessing you are talking to someone else altogether and not me. In which case, I apologize for butting in.

[sheer]

Actually, that was a reaction to Farm and not Chase. If you think Chase influences anything I say/do then you are mistaken (if you think I am better 'friends' with her than people she fights with, then you might be wrong as well - that's all a waste of posting space, if you ask me)

It was a joke addict, so yes it was a waste of posting space.


sheer

[flexj]

IMO I think transference is bullshit. I don't think we need to make up fancy things for why we don't like someone or why we are attracted to other people. I don't like people because they are assholes not because they remind me of my overbearing mother. I am also attracted to someone based on personality and sometimes their looks not because they remind me of my father. Freud was sexualy depressed, coke sniffing, opium smoking weirdo anyway

Hey Kerrie,
 Transference may not be the best term I was looking for.  What I had read, was that when Damien was talking with Jesse Hurst, He claimed he was there when the murders occured and as he said it was like a "Dream" or something.  He had  said it was the father of Branch.  He had seen him on TV and TH said that he (Damien)was an animal and deserved to die. 

I had read a post that was explaining that Damien was placing his participation on TH, I can't remember the term that was used, but it was something that tried to explain why he was blaming TH. 

I honestly wish could recall where I read that, it was pretty interesting

[Rudder]

Damien was placing his participation on TH

Either Echols got Byers and Hobbs mixed up or Hurst did, because Echols described Byers as the stepfather

RIDGE: HOW DID HE DESCRIBE THAT STEPFATHER?

JESSE: HE SAID HE HAD LONG BLONDE HAIR AND PONYTAIL

[flexj]

 He just said the father of Branch
Thanks for clarifying that Rudder

[kerriew]

"Hey Kerrie,
 Transference may not be the best term I was looking for.  What I had read, was that when Damien was talking with Jesse Hurst, He claimed he was there when the murders occured and as he said it was like a "Dream" or something.  He had  said it was the father of Branch.  He had seen him on TV and TH said that he (Damien)was an animal and deserved to die."

Hey Flex,
LOL I only saw Addict's post with that word My stupid ass supervisor is always talking about transference with my clients and it makes me nuts that's all. Me and her argue about it all the time  

[mikespadre]

byers is the only one who had blond hair and a pony tail if that matters, TH hair was fairly short and darker almost brown back then.

[addict]

I agree. Either Echols or Hurst was confused about which stepfather... the ponytail does make it sound like Byers.

The statement from Hurst comes around the same time that the letters to Shettles were written.  I don't know what that means, but I'm not sure I agree with the transference bit...  Or at least it's probably not the only possibility.