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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 01:52:21 PM »

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People mourn differently,  so what you are saying is a fallacy.

Your mixed up, Byers was looking for one all right after the death he planned how to steal the funds collected for the parents, he did a good job too, took almost all the money.


I'm not mixed up, I was referring to Hobbs.  Hobbs was the subject in the first sentence, and the pronoun in the second ... I didn't say anything about Byers.  Devil's Knot pg 12:

"Terry Hobbs, Stevie Branch's stepfather, was ducking under the yellow police tape as Gitchell approached. Gitchell stopped Hobbs and gently reported the news. Yes, the boys' bodies had been found. And yes, it was clear they had been murdered. Hobbs crumpled to the ground and cried. His wife, Pam Hobbs, Stevie's mother, fainted."

Even if I agree with you, you somehow find something wrong.
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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2010, 04:42:54 PM »


I don't think I've ever said that Mark sold out...you can check my post history, but I don't think I have. You know why? Because I don't think that's why he's a supporter. I think he met with Lax, and being the intellectual sophisticate he is, just swallowed it all, hook, line and sinker.


JMB:  "I don't know what it would be like to be guilty of killing three children and knowing that the hounds are on your tail."

Terry Hobbs' deposition:

Q.  What did Mr. Lax tell you?

A.  What are you going to do when I sic the dogs on you.

We have a lot of dogs flying around here, and they all originated with one person.  That person is Ron Lax.









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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2010, 11:21:32 PM »

Ron Laxitive just might be the slimiest scumbag in this whole case.
Stidman, Sauls, Kathy, and Worthington are bringing up second place....
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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2010, 06:28:12 PM »

cjm... you are 100% correct, he has made a career out of this case over the last 17 yrs.
He intimidated witnesses from the start, there would have been many others testify had he not gotten to them and threatened them because they didn't know any better- He earned his paycheck.

He is behind all of this Terry BS today.

One of his exflunkies had the nerve to show up at my office months ago only to be escorted the hell out of there and told if she returns onto our property we will file charges...her ass has not been back since!
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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2010, 06:58:50 PM »

cjm... you are 100% correct, he has made a career out of this case over the last 17 yrs.
He intimidated witnesses from the start, there would have been many others testify had he not gotten to them and threatened them because they didn't know any better- He earned his paycheck.

He is behind all of this Terry BS today.




Paid said Lax is no longer involved with the case, Todd.  Is that your understanding, too?
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2010, 10:32:18 PM »

Paid said Lax is no longer involved with the case, Todd.

Paid is absolutely full of shit. (no big surprise there)

As Todd said, Lax is behind all the Terry nonsense.

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2010, 11:02:35 PM »

cjm... you are 100% correct, he has made a career out of this case over the last 17 yrs.
He intimidated witnesses from the start, there would have been many others testify had he not gotten to them and threatened them because they didn't know any better- He earned his paycheck.

He is behind all of this Terry BS today.




Paid said Lax is no longer involved with the case, Todd.  Is that your understanding, too?


Paid is a fucking idiot.....Much like JMB, he hasnt been right about one thing.
The only difference between Paid and Rugs....One takes a shower every day.
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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2010, 02:15:07 PM »

cjm... you are 100% correct, he has made a career out of this case over the last 17 yrs.
He intimidated witnesses from the start, there would have been many others testify had he not gotten to them and threatened them because they didn't know any better- He earned his paycheck.


Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  After all, he'd want to spend this amount of time (getting paid what did it come out to in 1993/1994? $18 an hour?) helping three baby killers, especially since they're still locked up, which puts Lax on the losing side - that's great advertising. 

And, exactly which witnesses did he "intimidate" again (as if Fogelman wouldn't have charged him in a freakin' heartbeat if that were true).  Oh, yeah, wasn't there one guy who was claiming Damien had admitting everything to him ... then told Ron Lax on videotape that he'd only made that up because the cops were intimidating him?  Yeah, someone was pressuring someone all right.

He is behind all of this Terry BS today.


Yeah, the "BS", right.  Actually, aren't the people "behind it" all those pesky fucking witnesses?

Start with Mark.  I've yet to hear you say it, Todd, that you think Mark is just making this shit up - every statement in his affidavit it a pure invention, right?  Right?  Every single statement below is a lie, right?  He's inventing them from whole cloth.  Would agree that, if they were true, there is no rationale explanation for them except that Hobbs killed the boys?

And then there's Sharon Nelson.  I don't see her motive to lie.  And there's no way in hell that she coincidentally anticipates that Hobbs will say "buried underwater" -- the same phrase he uses in the 2007 WMPD interview many months later (without seeing her affidavit). 

Oh, yes, and part of the supporter conspiracy is Moyer, Ballard, and Williams -- the three who stepped forward this year after it became public that Hobbs was claiming he hadn't seen the boys all day. 

And, of course, Pam is lying when she says that she found Stevie's knife in Hobbs' drawer and that Stevie "always had it with him."

All lies.  All attributable to Lax, right?

Oh - wait - I've got it!  When Demon Damien was arrested, he transferred his magical powers to Lax, who then used them to look into the future and see that Hobbs would say "buried underwater" - he then implanted the phrase in Nelson's mind, right?  And then he teleported Stevie's knife into Hobbs' drawer ....  right?  Right before he stepped into the dreams of Moyer, Ballard, and Williams and convinced all three of them that they saw Hobbs with the boys. 


One of his exflunkies had the nerve to show up at my office months ago only to be escorted the hell out of there and told if she returns onto our property we will file charges...her ass has not been back since!


Yeah, Todd .... slam those eyes shut and keep them that way. 





I, John Mark Byers, declare as follows:

1. My name is John Mark Byers. I am over the age of 21 and competent to give this declaration.

(2-8 background or relevant only to Hobbs v. Pasdar issues)

9. In June and July 2007, certain events happened that made the murders, the trials the victims, the victims' families and Terry Hobbs in particular even more the focus of press attention. Specifically, new evidence came to light regarding the murders and that new evidence was made public in July of 2007. The first bit of new evidence that came to light was that two hairs had been found at the crime scene. These hairs were tested for DNA, and one hair was consistent with the hair of Hobbs. The other hair was consistent with the hair of Hobbs' friend David Jacoby.

(10-15 background or relevant only to Hobbs v. Pasdar issues)

16. Hobbs has claimed that the first time he met me was at 6:00 PM at Dana Moore's house when Dana, myself and Bobbs were looking for our children. He has claimed that at this time, 6 PM, I said I was going to call the police and report my son missing. Hobbs has also stated that he and his friend David Jacoby were searching Robin Hood Hills for the boys at 6:00 PM or 6:30 PM. Hobbs' statements are false.

17. In fact, I met Hobbs at my house at approximately 8:20 or 8:30 PM. I know it was 8:20 or 8:30 PM or so because: (1) Dana Moore had last seen the boys riding their bikes around 6:00 PM; and (2) I called the police to report Christopher missing around 8:08 PM. Simply put, I did not and Dana Moore did not even think the boys were missing at 6:00 PM or 6:30 PM. At 6:00 PM I was in the West Memphis courthouse picking up my son Ryan, who was testifying in a car wreck case. Officer Regina Meeks came over to my house to take the report after I called it in. Dana Moore, the mother of Michael Moore saw the polioe car and came over to my house to report her son missing as well. As Officer Meeks was leaving, Hobbs walked up.

18. I believe the reason that Hobbs' incorrect statements about the time We met and when he was searching is so important is because in fact, Hobbs' whereabouts from approximately 6:00 PM to 8:30 PM are wholly unaccounted for. David Jacoby, Hobbs' friend, has stated to me that Hobbs came to his house at approximately 5:00 PM and that as he was opening the door to let Hobbs in he saw 2 boys on bicycles and 1 boy on a skateboard ride by his house and that he believes one of the boys was Stevie. Jacoby has stated that Hobbs left at approximately 6OO PM or 6:30 PM to see if Stevie had come home. No one knows Hobbs' whereabouts from that time, 6:00 PM or 6:30 PM, until I saw Hobbs at the my house at approximately 8:30 PM. I believe that Hobbs has stated that he met me at the Moores at 6:00 PM so that he has an alibi for this time period in which his whereabouts are actually unknown. Jacoby also told me that he did not cross the pipe bridge or search in the woods for Stevie.

19. Several years ago I was talking to Hobbs and he made the statement that we had met for the first time around 6:00 PM on May 5, 1993. I told him that no, it was around 8:00 PM. He became enraged and started yelling, "it was 6:00 PM, it was 6:00 PM." I believe he was trying to convince me that it was 6:00 PM so that he would have an alibi, and the fact that I knew that he was lying sent him into a rage.

20. Hobbs also failed to tell his wife that Stevie was missing until he picked her up from work at 9:00 PM. This seems very strange to me. If a child were missing, the mother would want to know and I would think the stepfather would can her at work and tell her to leave work and come look.

21. Fairly soon after the murders, I asked Hobbs to go with me to shoot guns. I knew he had a 9 mm gun because Hobbs had told me about it. He claimed he couldn't go shoot with me because he thought his brother-in-law, Jackie Hicks, Jr., had stolen his gun.

22. In June of 2007, Hobbs also stated that he saw a black male "bum" crossing 'the bridge by Catfish Island, that he had long hair, raggedy clothes and that "he's noticeable, that image sticks in frame" for Hobbs. Hobbs also claims that his wife, Pam, was with him when he saw the black man.

23. Prior to 2007, I am unaware of Hobbs ever having mentioned seeing the black man to police or to me or to anyone involved with the events. That means that for 14 years, Hobbs had never said anything about the black man to anyone who had the power to investigate the sighting. I believe that Hobbs is now trying to throw another suspect into the mix to keep attentlon off of him. However, his statement is completely incredible. Why would a father not mention to the police for 14 years that he had seen a suspicious man around the location of the murders? It makes no sense, unless Terry Hobbs is trying to deflect attention from himself.

24. Hobbs told me many things that were simply not true around the time of the murders. He told me he was living in a different house at the time of the murders than the house he was actually living in. He told me that Stevie was cut from his ear to his jaw and that the right side of Stevie's face was gone; that was not true. Hobbs claimed he searched the woods with Officer Regina Meeks and in fact, she has stated she did not ever search into the woods because there were too many mosquitoes. Hobbs has said that he was the first parent to call the police about the missing boys; that is not tme.

25. Hobbs called me and told me that an investigator for the West Memphis 3, Ron Lax, had called him and told him that the DNA in the ligature of one of the victims matched his DNA. Hobbs told me that he had met with Lax. I asked Hobbs why he met with Lax, and Hobbs said that he went out of curiosity.

26. On one occasion, I asked Hobbs, "What if those three (the West Memphis 3) didn't do it, what happened if it was an accident?" Of course, it is preposterous to think that three 8 year old boys could be killed in the way that they were and it was an accident. Hobbs responded: "You are right, it could have been an accident and that would be like a drunk driver, that person would not be a monster," I thought it was appalling that a father of a victim would attempt to excuse such a vicious murder. It made me very suspicious of Hobbs' involvement to see him having sympathy for the murderer and/or explaining that he might not be a monster.
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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2010, 09:05:06 PM »

I hate to break it to you dave but there is tons of stuff "you don't see"

And since you have yet to hear it from me....jmb is making this shit up for whatever reason, who the fuck knows anymore...better yet who the hell cares?

Hey asshole you don't know me well enough to call me Todd my name is Mr. Moore to you.

Lots of people have had various reasons to lie through out the years be it Pam, her dope head sister, some ex girl friend, some dumbass named ballard who is just another johnny come lately attention whore who is laughed at by everyone I know and talk to.

I'll see you at he execution I'll be the one with a smile on my face.
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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2010, 09:10:29 PM »

btw...I never said lax was smart or even very good, he just whored himself out.  Maybe his career as a PI wasn't going too well ya know kinda like your career as a attorney.  ;D
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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2010, 10:52:24 PM »

I hate to break it to you dave but there is tons of stuff "you don't see"

And since you have yet to hear it from me....jmb is making this shit up for whatever reason, who the fuck knows anymore...better yet who the hell cares?

Hey asshole you don't know me well enough to call me Todd my name is Mr. Moore to you.

Lots of people have had various reasons to lie through out the years be it Pam, her dope head sister, some ex girl friend, some dumbass named ballard who is just another johnny come lately attention whore who is laughed at by everyone I know and talk to.

I'll see you at he execution I'll be the one with a smile on my face.


I will be standing right next to ya Todd....Grinning to the sky....
I only hope that balding fatass has the guts to show up at the
execution kegger.......
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2010, 04:57:21 PM »

Hey guys!  I am new here though I have been viewing this board for a while now.  I first heard about this case when I came across PL on HBO years ago.  Like most, I felt that DJ&J were not guilty.  I found the brown board while searching for info months ago.  I came across a post that was mostly a Farm bash fesh and just had to find this Farm and see what he had to say!! ;)  That's when I found this board.  After reading everything on Callhan (so sorry if I spelled that wrong) I now feel that DJ&J did this.  At least that is the best theory I have yet to hear.

Anyway, I was content with just reading what you all have to say until now.  I just have to say that I can not believe that someone would come to a board where a parent visits and posts and talk shit to/about him!  And why?  Just because he doesn't agree with you?  Now you are going to turn your anger on Mr. Moore?  We all have our opinions and I respect everyone's but that is just crazy!
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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2010, 05:38:13 PM »

I came across a post that was mostly a Farm bash fesh and just had to find this Farm and see what he had to say!!

He says hi, and welcome.
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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2010, 06:52:27 PM »

LOL  they always have a Farm Bash Fest..  Its like the highlight of their day, they have nothing else better to do.  Farm is a great guy..everyone seems to think he is some meany who has no respect for ppl..I see him as a guy who has put up with sooo much shit and harrasment that he is tired of it, and not going to back down to anyone and he will stand up for his beliefs.  And since they cant sway him, or win an argument with him, they wanna make him out to be some asshole. He isnt. :D Anyways, Hello, and Welcome
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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2010, 06:57:59 PM »

I've done even remotely nothing original.

I present the same facts the Prosecution did, as many of you do.

Some people are "jurors" and some are Echols lusting idiots, that's all.
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