Why Mark Byers (and other former nons) became supporters / Why Hobbs is guilty

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[flexj]

Um, I'm kinda scratching my head on the last paragraph. But welcome to the truth board

[Storm]

But Farm... heres the thing.. You dont have to do this. You dont have to have a board, you dont have to support the victims here, you dont have to speak the truth, you dont have to be there for Todd at all. But you do! No matter what is thrown at you, no matter what is done to you personally, you wont let them get you down and stop..You keep going, speaking the truth, and not being censoring. That speaks alot. You dont spin the truth, you dont make up lies, you dont get mad and screw with peoples personal lives cause they dont believe like you. I like you, Farm..and I have a lot of respect for you! So sorry, your stuck with me   No really...I like everyone here, we all have a lot of balls and we are all here to support the real victims in this! That speaks volumes

[Farm]

To quote Leon Russel.... "If I don't do it, sombody else will."

But thanx anyhow!

[Alie]

Thanks so much for the welcome!

I agree with Storm, Farm you do a good thing here.  I have a lot of respect for everyone, well almost everyone, that posts to this board.  You see who the real victims of this crime are, the kids!  I have two little girls and can't imagine what the parents have gone through and I pray every night that I will never know.  I can not imagine someone feeling so strongly about DJ&J that they will try so hard to blame everyone else, even the parents.  This is just my opinion!

Thanks again for the welcome!

[BlackAngel]

CJM

I will be standing right next to ya Todd....Grinning to the sky....
I only hope that balding fatass has the guts to show up at the
execution kegger.......

Better yet I hope he brings Rugs and BOOBY.

 

[flexj]

CJM

I will be standing right next to ya Todd....Grinning to the sky....
I only hope that balding fatass has the guts to show up at the
execution kegger.......

Better yet I hope he brings Rugs and BOOBY.

 

And when the are done with them, I want to Pee on them

[addict]

This whole Terry Hobbs crap is starting to really make me angry.  I agree with what Doll said (quoted somewhere on page one) about the TH/JMB parallel.  IMHO, TH is being railroaded.  I don't get why there's little to nothing on him at all until people believed he was guilty.  Like I said back when so many were pointing ten fingers at JMB, I think TH is as least as good a suspect as JJ&D.  For whatever that's worth.  The whole "JMB did it" thing was bad enough.  Do we really need to replay it with new initials? 

[Farm]

Like I said back when so many were pointing ten fingers at JMB, I think TH is as least as good a suspect as JJ&D.

And like I said back then, where's the eyewitness account of Hobbs killing the children?

Where's the half dozen people who reported that Hobbs took credit for the crime?

[addict]

Like I said back when so many were pointing ten fingers at JMB, I think TH is as least as good a suspect as JJ&D.

And like I said back then, where's the eyewitness account of Hobbs killing the children?

Where's the half dozen people who reported that Hobbs took credit for the crime?

There are none.  You want to hear me take back the idea that TH and JMB are at least as good suspects as JJ&D, don't you?  It's not gonna happen.  Did anyone ever find the original TH interview (maybe that's happened in my most recent respite)?  The WMPD obviously interviewed him, right? 

It is my opinion that Terry Hobbs is probably not guilty of these murders.  It's also my opinion that JJ&D probably aren't either.  I suppose we can rehash until we're red in the face...  But the two of us know each other's viewpoints by now, I assume, and neither of us have changed the other one's mind.  I wish newer people who asked (viable) questions weren't shot down on all the boards just for asking.  And the 'I know Terry Hobbs did it' thing is really, really starting to piss me off.  That's my only point(s).

[Farm]

You want to hear me take back the idea that TH and JMB are at least as good suspects as JJ&D, don't you? It's not gonna happen.

I try and try, but I can't care?

My point is illustrated by the fact that you have to completly ignore such a mass of evidence to make your comparison.

I suppose we can rehash until we're red in the face...  But the two of us know each other's viewpoints by now, I assume, and neither of us have changed the other one's mind.

But I have never had to "modify" my viewpoint.

Yet, every new revelation rips another brick out of yours.

For example, in the past you had openly questioned whether or not Misskelley actually "swore on a bible" to Stidham that he participated in the crime, because like most supporters, You knew it was pretty damning had it happened.

Well,.... We now know for a fact that it did.

But I suspect it's now among of those topics that aren't worth "rehashing".

I wish newer people who asked (viable) questions weren't shot down on all the boards just for asking.

I don't see that many folks genuinely ASKING viable questions?

I don't consider "How could that judge/jury be so fucking blind" a viable question.

[addict]

My point is illustrated by the fact that you have to completly ignore such a mass of evidence to make your comparison.

I don't ignore anything. I just see it differently as it relates to the big picture.

But I have never had to "modify" my viewpoint.

Are you seriously telling me you never modified your viewpoint?  That's insane.  Not to mention false.

For example, in the past you had openly questioned whether or not Misskelley actually "swore on a bible" to Stidham that he participated in the crime, because like most supporters, You knew it was pretty damning had it happened.

Hmmmm...  I recall asking, when I first showed up, why the metal detectors went off when JMB entered the court room too.  So what?  I got smarter.  If you walked into all of this being so brilliant, then good for you.  I doubt it's true.  I sure as hell have been dumb over certain points of this journey.

I wish newer people who asked (viable) questions weren't shot down on all the boards just for asking.

I don't see that many folks genuinely ASKING viable questions?

Nor do I.  Kind of sucks, doesn't it?

Like I said, I get pissed with all the TH did it bullshit.  That was the point of my post.  But let's pick apart the details instead...  We're all bored, right?

[Farm]

I don't ignore anything. I just see it differently as it relates to the big picture.

When you compare the convicts to other "possible perps" who DIDN'T have an eyewitness/accomplice placing them at the crime, or many witnesses reporting their confessions - you are ignoring evidence.

There's no way of getting around it.

Are you seriously telling me you never modified your viewpoint?

That's exactly what I'm telling you.

Before I saw the evidence, I didn't HAVE a viewpoint - I didn't know if they were guilty or not.

I kinda thought that's how it was supposed to be.

Hmmmm...  I recall asking, when I first showed up, why the metal detectors went off when JMB entered the court room too.  So what?

When you learned that wasn't true, did you try to come up with an explaination for why they failed to go off?

Because when you learned that Misskelley maintained his guilt to Stidham long after his arrest, you sure looked for an explaination to dismiss that.

If you walked into all of this being so brilliant, then good for you.  I doubt it's true. 

I didn't.

But here's the difference - I dind't support the convictions until I saw what the jury saw.

Supporters of the convicts form their opinons first, then try to discredit the evidence as it's presented to them.

The confessions are the perfect example.

[addict]

I hope for your sake that something in your viewpoint has changed, even if it's a detail or two you thought you were right about and since have cast away.  If that's not the case, then you are either really fucking brilliant or really fucking stubborn/dumb.

We all choose certain "evidence" as more important than other "evidence" and then synthesize it into a story that makes sense to us.  I don't think I ignore anything.  Even the idea that I could be wrong.  I don't trust people who are cocksure about everything. 

[Storm]

Misskelley actually "swore on a bible" to Stidham that he participated in the crime

I was reading something one day that quoted Stidham as saying, ...I could have had Jessie confessing to killing JFK on the grassy knoll." Something to that effect..  I always thought like..Ya right ok.. LOL  well i was watching Law and Order one day.. And guess what a line from the show was during a court scene about his client confessing.." I could have had my client confessing to assassinating JFK."
I was like  WTF??  Wow that sounds so familiar..Oh I know where I heard that..LOL  I mean come on...

[sheer]

Addict:
I hope for your sake that something in your viewpoint has changed, even if it's a detail or two you thought you were right about and since have cast away.  If that's not the case, then you are either really fucking brilliant or really fucking stubborn/dumb

Dumb? No, absolutely not. Stubborn- most definitely. Drives me bloody insane.

But lookit you too:

You want to hear me take back the idea that TH and JMB are at least as good suspects as JJ&D, don't you?  It's not gonna happen

It might...one day? You're so cocksure!

Anyways sorry to go OT...

Storm:
I was reading something one day that quoted Stidham as saying, ...I could have had Jessie confessing to killing JFK on the grassy knoll." Something to that effect..  I always thought like..Ya right ok.. LOL  well i was watching Law and Order one day.. And guess what a line from the show was during a court scene about his client confessing.." I could have had my client confessing to assassinating JFK."
I was like  WTF??  Wow that sounds so familiar..Oh I know where I heard that..LOL  I mean come on...

hahahah!!! Was it a very bad episode of Law and Order?  Maybe it's just a standard argument that attorneys use when their client is guilty. 

Stidham couldn't get Jessie to stop confessing post conviction could he....even using props (Bible) so his claim that he could make Jessie say anything is a load of crapola.


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