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[Storm]

I cant even remember which episode it was. I know it was SVU cause thats the only one I watch, but i remember them saying that, i was like whoooaaa.. rewind..LOL  So thats where Stidham got it. LOL

[addict]

Addict:
I hope for your sake that something in your viewpoint has changed, even if it's a detail or two you thought you were right about and since have cast away.  If that's not the case, then you are either really fucking brilliant or really fucking stubborn/dumb

Dumb? No, absolutely not. Stubborn- most definitely. Drives me bloody insane.

But lookit you too:

You want to hear me take back the idea that TH and JMB are at least as good suspects as JJ&D, don't you?  It's not gonna happen

It might...one day? You're so cocksure!

See. that's why I always liked you, Sheer...  As much as I want to smack you upside the head sometimes, I still like the fact that you get it.  ;)

[Farm]

I hope for your sake that something in your viewpoint has changed

Don't worry about me, I'm fine.

Like I said, I did it the way one is supposed to.

I don't think I ignore anything.

But you clearly do.

Once again, how else do you compare the convicts to those who DON'T have eyewitness accounts from an accomplice.

You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but you ABSOLUTLEY ignore the confessions - you disregarded them from the very start.

It's silly for you to even try to claim otherwise.

[addict]

Don't worry about me, I'm fine.

Good, I'm glad.  Really.

Like I said, I did it the way one is supposed to.

"I did it my way..."

You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but you ABSOLUTLEY ignore the confessions - you disregarded them from the very start.

I don't ignore them. 

I just don't step into circular arguments every chance I get...

Sometimes you remind me of this odd amalgamation of PENU and KMA, Farm.  It's weird.  You argue like KMA while trying to be the ass that PENU was.  Maybe it's just me...

[Farm]

Good, I'm glad.  Really.

I know.

"I did it my way..."

You did it Berlinger's way.

I don't ignore them.

I just don't step into circular arguments every chance I get...

I don't know how to break this to you, but an argument doesn't become circular simply because you aren't comfortable addressing it.

You've had years to offer just ONE explaination for why Misskelley maintained his guilt to his own attorneys after his arrest.

Sometimes you remind me of this odd amalgamation of PENU and KMA, Farm.

That's because you weren't willing to address their questions either.

It's weird.

It's no more weird than it was last time you used it.

You argue like KMA while trying to be the ass that PENU was.

That's because you weren't willing to address their questions either.

Maybe it's just me...

There certainly does seem to be a pattern emerging.

It's almost as if everyone who challenges your "beliefs" share one undesirable quality or another.

Must be a genetic thing.

[addict]

You think I did it Berlinger's way?  Believe what you want, Farm.    It's all good.

You've had years to offer just ONE explaination for why Misskelley maintained his guilt to his own attorneys after his arrest.

I don't know why Jessie maintained his guilt to his own attorneys.  I don't offer explanations that I'm not sure about.  What reason did Jessie give?  That he thought Stidham was a cop?  Do you think the question of guilt/innocence hangs on the answer to that question? 

Sometimes you remind me of this odd amalgamation of PENU and KMA, Farm.

That's because you weren't willing to address their questions either.

By the time I showed up, PENU was out of questions, or at least not bothering to ask them anymore.  He'd usually just pop into threads to be a prick.  He could be funny though... 

KMA?  She is the master of the 'pick apart the small details of your post and ignore the message until you beat your head against the wall long enough that you give up' method of argument.  I addressed her questions.  She just danced around them a lot of the time.  There were a couple times she admitted she was wrong though.  I always respected her for that ability.  Some people can never admit they're wrong, even when backed into a corner. 

I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with genetics...

[Farm]

You think I did it Berlinger's way?  Believe what you want, Farm.    It's all good.

I've watched you do it for years.

I don't know why Jessie maintained his guilt to his own attorneys.

And you can't see how silly that is?

"I don't have any idea why he would make something like that up, I have no evidence to indicate he did make it up - all I know is that he did."

What reason did Jessie give?

He has to say he was lying before he can offer an explaination for why he did.

That he thought Stidham was a cop?

That was Stidham's nonsense.


Do you think the question of guilt/innocence hangs on the answer to that question?

I don't know where an eyewitness account from an accomplice rates on your scale of importance, but I suspect most rational people feel it's at least important enough to question the motive behind it.

There were a couple times she admitted she was wrong though.  I always respected her for that ability.

Of course you did.

Some people can never admit they're wrong, even when backed into a corner.

Yes, I've seen them... they just leave and come back weeks, or even months later.

[addict]

My problem with Jessie's confessions are that they make no sense, unless he's answering leading questions.  Or unless he already sat through the trial and picked some stuff up. 

Aaron allegedly said JMB was involved.  Jesse Hurst said Branch.

Do you miss me when I'm gone for weeks/months? 

[Farm]

My problem with Jessie's confessions are that they make no sense, unless he's answering leading questions.

It's quite possible the problem is yours.

[addict]

It's quite possible the problem is yours.

It's possible, I guess...  But maybe it's a problem regardless of me.

[Farm]

But maybe it's a problem regardless of me.

The jurors didn't seem afflicted?

[addict]

Sometimes juries are wrong.

[Mary7875]

I don't ignore anything. I just see it differently as it relates to the big picture.

The big picture.  This is where supporters fail miserably.

They're so mired down in finding alternate explanations for every tiny bit of evidence/testimony that they lose sight of that big picture. 

And no, I'm not going to rehash the enormous amount of evidence against D, J & J.  It's been done a million times.  I just wish someone could explain to me why supporters argue every single issue to the point of absurdity, defying all logic and common sense.

Are they actually incapable of seeing the forest for the trees, or is there something else at work here?   

[addict]

Hey, Mary, what's up?  I'm still interested in your reply to this if you feel like chiming in:
http://www.downonthefarm.org/wm3hoax/board/index.php/topic,6814.msg64861.html#msg64861

I don't want you to rehash "the enormous amount of evidence against D, J & J."  I'm just interested in your viewpoint on the question I asked about the report on Damien's post-polygraph interview.

As for the big picture...  I'm not sure yours is more inclusive of everything than mine is.  Maybe we just interpret things differently.  But I suppose you can school me about forests if you feel like it...  I promise to try to find my way through the trees.

[flexj]

Jesse Hurst said that Damien had said it was Branch, but he was not there only in a vision. Cleary Damien is delusional