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[Farm]

Then your "thinking" is at fault.

Because if there is speculation that a crime is gang related, and the primary suspect turns out to be a gang member -  that supports the speculation, making it "more right".

[jvince1]

I'm sure it was some of these other details that really caught Jerry Driver's eye.

And rightly so...

Most teenagers invovled in fantasy role-playing games, heavy metal music, or satanism and the occult are going through a stage of adolescent development and commit no significant crimes.  The teenagers who have more serious problems are usually those from dysfunctional families or those who have poor communication within their families.  These troubled teenagers turn to satanism and the occult to overcome a sense of alienation, to obtain power and/or to justify their antisocial behavior.  For these teenagers, it is the symbolism, not the spirituality, that is important.         It is either the psychopathic or the oddball, loner teenager who is the most likely to get into serious trouble.

Dabblers - For these practitioners, there is little or no spiritual motivation.  They mix satanism, witchcraft and paganism.  Symbols mean whatever they want them to mean.  Molesters,          rapists, drug dealers and murders may dabble in the occult and may commit their crimes in a ceremonial or ritualistic way.  This category has the potential to be the most dangerous, and most of the "satanic" killers fall into this category.

It's as if Lanning was describing Echols - except his report predated the crime by four years.

Hey farm, where did u get your phsychology degree, University of Phoenix, hehe ( ya again). Enjoy the new trial,,,, biotch.

[kerriew]

wow jvince you are just an ignorant asshole. Throwing insults around like a fucking 10 year old. Oh yeah fuck nut, it is not trial. It is a hearing there is a difference but then again you brainwashed fucks from the stain board don't know shit.

[FishmongerDave]

Um, that there were other possibilities?  Are you seriously claiming that the WMPD should not have considered any other possibilities on May 7th other than the idea that the boys were murdered by drug-addled wannabee satanist teenagers?  That makes no sense.  I just want to know why Sudbury appears to be on your side in that ridiculousness.

Because they were expedient.  Because they were powerless.  Because Damien's persona and poverty made him a credible, easy target if a case could be built.  Because the community was rightfully in a state beyond hysteria that three little boys had been killed and the pressure to find someone - anyone - on whom it could credibly be pinned was beyond description. 

Not an excuse; just an explanation.  People go back and forth on who should have known what, but one thing I don't think is that Gitchell or Sudbury (or Driver or Jones or...) was stupid.  To sit there and say the case was an eleven after reading Jessie's statements was an evil, knowing lie.  It was the beginning of a snowball of shit that led to these convictions.

This week, we saw the snowball of truth quintuple its size and pick up speed.  The end is coming.  Truth is coming.

The bell will toll.

[flexj]

Dave you really think that the whole WMPD investigating this crime set out to frame Jesse,Jason and Damien?  I may not have graduated a prestigious college like you have, but I have something you will never have-COMMON SENSE

[Caribou]

Because they were expedient.  Because they were powerless.  Because Damien's persona and poverty made him a credible, easy target if a case could be built. 

Or, if accuracy is a consideration -
Because at least two of them were confessing away. Because they had no corroborating alibis. Because a witness saw Damien on the service road.

lThis week, we saw the snowball of truth quintuple its size and pick up speed.  The end is coming.  Truth is coming.

The bell will toll.

You are a creep.

[Farm]

If dave actually thinks the circuit court will grant a retrial - then he's a bigger idiot than I ever thought.

And I didn't think that was even possible.

[Ric2F]

If dave actually thinks the circuit court will grant a retrial - then he's a bigger idiot than I ever thought.

And I didn't think that was even possible.
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Farm, will there be one judge listening at the hearing and deciding if the"DNA" is proof that someone else committed the crime?
I'm thinking chances are that a judge won't be some wacked out supporter, incapable of understanding secondary transfer.

 And WTH is this and the bell will toll slogan?

The sound of a bell produced by strokes slowly and uniformly
     repeated.
WTH does that have to do with anything?

[Farm]

Farm, will there be one judge listening at the hearing

Yes.

and deciding if the"DNA" is proof that someone else committed the crime?

No, just deciding if a jury would have aqquitted with the "new" evidence.

I'm thinking chances are that a judge won't be some wacked out supporter, incapable of understanding secondary transfer.

I doubt the Defense even tries to tie Hobbs to the crime.

[Ric2F]

Thanks, now WTH is the bell  will toll's meaning?

[addict]

Farm, will there be one judge listening at the hearing

Yes.

and deciding if the"DNA" is proof that someone else committed the crime?

No, just deciding if a jury would have aqquitted with the "new" evidence.

I'm thinking chances are that a judge won't be some wacked out supporter, incapable of understanding secondary transfer.

I doubt the Defense even tries to tie Hobbs to the crime.

Good post. Hoping ric2pd picked up on the fact that it's all evidence and not just the DNA and that the standard is acquittal rather than actual innocence (let alone proving someone else committed the crime).

The comment about Hobbs is interesting. I'm curious to see how it plays out, but I'd be surprised if the alleged Hobbs/Jacoby hairs were not brought up in the hearing.


As an aside, I'm really interested to find out what items the State had tested within the past few months. Anyone have any information on that? (re:

Dustin McDaniel - Press Conference "Election 2010: The Debates" (AETN)	DQ

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[layeredtext]

Thanks, now WTH is the bell  will toll's meaning?

It's an allusion to a poem by John Donne--

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

[Farm]

Hoping ric2pd picked up on the fact that it's all evidence and not just the DNA and that the standard is acquittal rather than actual innocence

Actually addict, I was hoping you would understand that part, because clearly you don't.

[Ric2F]

Farm, will there be one judge listening at the hearing and deciding if the"DNA" is proof that someone else committed the crime?
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and deciding if the"DNA" is proof that someone else committed the crime?
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No, just deciding if a jury would have aqquitted with the "new" evidence.
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Hoping ric2pd picked up on the fact that it's all evidence and not just the DNA and that the standard is acquittal rather than actual innocence (let alone proving someone else committed the crime).
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Sorry Addict, my wording was poor. I do know the hearing is not a trial. I also know that its all  evidence and not just DNA.

[addict]

Hoping ric2pd picked up on the fact that it's all evidence and not just the DNA and that the standard is acquittal rather than actual innocence

Actually addict, I was hoping you would understand that part, because clearly you don't.

WTF are you talking about now Farm? I've certainly said nothing since the hearing to indicate I misunderstand either point.