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[Rudder]

She has definitely gotta be screwing with us, nobody can be that fucking stupid

This is a recurring theme. Every freaking day I ask myself, "These people can't possibly be this retarded, can they? They managed to turn on this sophisticated piece of technology and navigate it here to these boards...that speaks of some intelligence, doesn't it?"

I honestly don't know the answer. Either they are dumb as shit or fucking with us.

[flexj]

ce, how can this have been one of damien's happier times, but in the other thread you talk of how miserable his life was?~ ya can't have it both ways~

Good catch Goddess
 Ce really has been contradicting herself, seems she could not be as open minded and objective as she claimed to be, her post seems to sound more and more like a leg humper than a supporter.

Black Angel, and Goddess have given 2 more examples of how choice comes into play, for changing your life.  Damien CHOSE his path

[kerriew]

"Maybe you should get a dictionary?"

Maybe you shouldn't be such an asshole? You're the one who needs a fucking a dictionary.

http://www.answers.com/topic/nomad

Still waiting for you to post what was exagerated in the 500.

[flexj]

She has definitely gotta be screwing with us, nobody can be that fucking stupid

This is a recurring theme. Every freaking day I ask myself, "These people can't possibly be this retarded, can they? They managed to turn on this sophisticated piece of technology and navigate it here to these boards...that speaks of some intelligence, doesn't it?"

I honestly don't know the answer. Either they are dumb as shit or fucking with us.

Both -  A dumbshit who is getting there jollies fucking with us at the expense of 3 innocent lives..

[cewatson]

"Maybe you should get a dictionary?"

Maybe you shouldn't be such an asshole? You're the one who needs a fucking a dictionary.

http://www.answers.com/topic/nomad

Still waiting for you to post what was exagerated in the 500.

He didn't have a fixed residence. He moved out of his stepdad's after he turned 18 and moved between his grandparents' house, Domini's house, Jason's house, and then when his parents moved back, their house. Therefore, he was nomadic. Not in the old fashioned "pack up the camel" sense that you can't seem to get out of your head. And apparently you DID need a dictionary, because you took the time to look it up. :-)

And as for the 500:
He made a threat to Deanna's dad that he would "blow him away" or whatever. Typically, most teens hate their bf/gf's parents. These are empty threats. And then later on, the doctor incorrectly states that both parents were threatened. I guess he wanted to make him look like more of a menace than the typical teen he was for making that statement. Even though he wasn't even on probation for making threats, it was for running away with Deanna.

The "eat you alive" comment about his dad didn't literally mean he was a cannibal. He meant that he was a better person than his dad, who wasn't going to run away from his responsibilities. It's a phrase you hear all the time, except in Damien's case it was taken out of context.

There is nothing to support that Damien had confessed to devil-worshipping behaviors when he was arrested, and Jerry Driver makes it clear in a statement that he had only secondhand sources regarding Damien's supposed devil worship and didn't have statements to police. Somehow these still became part of his record.

The part about him informing his jailers of his overdose is not true. He was ratted out by another inmate. It wasn't a cry for attention. He was depressed and wanted out. I don't agree with suicide, but what he'd already been through at this point made him feel there was no other way out.

Would you like more? I mean, it's an extensive document.
I admit that there is a lot of factual stuff, but there is also a lot of allegations, exaggerations, and misinterpretations.


ASSHOLE.

[GODDESS6]

^^^'splain it away lucy ~ jesus you give even my dog a headache~

[cewatson]

^^^'splain it away lucy ~ jesus you give even my dog a headache~

Or if you learned how to read you'd see it for yourself.

[BlackAngel]

9. Damien was not in very good health while we lived at the old farm house. He was not able to go outside of the house because he got really sick. He had a real hard time with his breathing because of all the crops outside the house. Sometimes his eyes and throat swelled up and he could not swallow or see very good. The place right below his eyes turned to a darkish color kind of like he had been hit in the eye. I think the worst thing for Damien, though, were his headaches. From the time that we moved into that house, he would get terrible headaches. He asked me to squeeze his head so that his pain would go away. I would put my arms around his head, like in a head lock and I squeezed it. I did not want to hurt him but he always asked to squeeze harder, so I did. I think that the pain of the headache hurt more than the squeezing of his head. He got relief for a few moments while I did this but the headache always came back. He took some medicine to help with his breathing and to try and keep his swelling down and it did help a little bit but not near as much as we wanted it to work.

10. Damien went through these spells where he could not sleep no matter how hard he tried to. He stayed up for three or four nights in a row without sleeping at all. These periods were very hard for him and by the end of the second day of no sleep, he was exhausted, fussy, and miserable. He cried a lot during these times and no one seemed to be able to help him with what he was upset about. We never could figure out what he was so upset about, but there was no doubt in my mind that he was as miserable as a little boy could be. His sister Michelle went in his room to talk to him and he sometimes fell asleep for a couple of hours or so and then he stayed up for another few days before getting anymore sleep. I was worried about Damien but I did not know what to do. I had to work during the day and every evening when I came home, I hoped that he would be asleep but he was normally still up. After many days of this, Damien finally slept for an entire night. Once he got a full night's rest, he went for a few weeks without having trouble sleeping. I always hoped that these times would not come back but they always did. It just about broke my heart to see how hard Damien tried to handle his problems, but he never was able to figure out what made him so sad.

11. Damien never was a really happy boy. He got really sad sometimes and no one, including Damien, had any idea what was wrong. He cried really hard and I asked him what was making him so sad and he told me that he did not know. I never could figure out how someone could cry so hard and not know why they were sad and it was real hard to watch Damien go through this. Damien used to spend a few days in a row where he cried really hard. Sometimes it seemed like he was having trouble with his breathing because he cried so much. During these periods, Damien sometimes started laughing uncontrollably, just like one of those laughs that comes from the belly. It was very strange to me that he went from crying to laughing and I was confused about why he did this. Michelle and his mama tried to get him to stop being so sad but the only thing that ever seemed to help him was time. After a while, he would finally get to where he could stop crying and being so sad. Damien went through this on a regular basis.

12. There were other times when Damien had so much energy he did not know what to do. He got really excited and kind of hyper and he always walked at these times. Damien walked to some of the parks in the area, to some of his friends houses, and across town. He told me that he sometimes got confused because he was sure where he needed to go but when he got there he felt like he was in the wrong place. I though that he meant that he changed his mind about where he wanted to go but he told me that it was not like that. Damien did not decide where he was supposed to walk to but got a feeling about where he should be but, when he got where he was going, his feeling changed and he had to go somewhere else. He was real frustrated at these times and I did not know how to help him. I did not really understand what he meant about not knowing where he wanted to be. I sometimes felt that I should have done a better job trying to figure out what he was talking about and maybe then I could have made things a little better for him.

13. I remember that Damien had some strange needs. Some things could never be out of place and had to be put in a place just so. He had the same pillow all his life and if it ever got misplaced, he howled his head off. Damien could not sleep with any other pillow for as long as I have known him. He had a lot of fear about the closet in his room and did not want any of his toys ever put in the closet. If his toys were in the closet, he panicked and thought they would die. Damien had these two fire hats; one was black and one was red. We had to keep the hats under the bathroom sink just so and right beside each other. If they were not in their place, it made him panic and afraid. I always thought that Damien had a funny way of decorating his room. He used to put these catalogs all over the rooms of the walls. He also put this big Tarzan tablecloth on his wall for decoration.

14. Sometimes Damien did not have any appetite and he did not eat for several days. It did not seem to matter what Pamela put on the table, he did not want to eat it. After a few days of not eating, Damien looked weaker and I could tell it was wearing on him. I wished that he would eat for his health but when he did not have an appetite there was nothing any one could do.

15. Damien got involved with a girl named Deanna and I knew that he liked her a whole lot. They dated for a few months and then they broke up. After they quit dating, Damien was even sadder. He went into one of his times where almost all he could do was cry. I know that breaking up with a girl can be hard on a young man but this was different. Not too long after Damien's breakup with Deanna, he went with his mama, sister, and Joe Hutchison to Oregon.

16. In 1992, Pamela and I separated and divorced. I moved into an apartment in Marion and lived by myself for awhile. There were times when Pamela called me and told me that Damien was feeling really bad and not eating and she asked me if he could come and stay with me. I always said that he could. I fixed a little area on the floor where Damien could lay down and try to sleep. When he came over, he was not eating or sleeping but after a day or so, he finally slept and then he was able to eat. I don't know what it was that caused him to finally fall asleep but I figured that it might be that the human body can only stay up for so long without getting any rest.

17. Damien did not stay in Oregon for too long. I think he wanted to get back here where his friends were. Damien did not stay with me when he came back from Oregon. His mama cam back here sometime after Damien had left Oregon. She came back after she found out that Damien's new girlfriend, Domini, was pregnant.

18. I will never forget the day that Pamela called me and told me that Damien had been arrested by the West Memphis Police. I was very shocked. Pamela had already told me that they had been questioning him but I did not pay much attention at that point, because I knew that there was nothing to it. But Pamela called me and told me that the police had been all through her mama's trailer where they were living on South Grove. I did not find out for a week or two where Damien was after he was arrested. They did not keep him in West Memphis and I had to drive down to the Monroe County Jail in Clarendon in order to visit Damien. Sometimes when I went, I drove Pamela's mom, Francis, to the jail. She was in a wheelchair because she had lost a leg. Damien was as upset as I have ever seen him when I went to the Monroe Jail. When I asked him questions, his answers did not make any sense. He did not seem to be himself at all. He seemed like he was losing a lot of weight and was not looking very healthy. All I knew to tell him was to hang on and everything was going to be all right. That is all I knew to say.

19. I talked to Val Price once or twice for a few minutes just to discuss the next time Damien would be in court. When the trial started, I went almost every day. Pamela, Joe, and Michelle stayed in my trailer for some of the time. They did not have anywhere else to stay because they spent their money on getting to Jonesboro everyday. Scott Davidson told me that Joe Hutchison and I should plead for Damien's life during the penalty phase of the trial. All I knew about the penalty phase was that was when the jury would hear evidence about whether or not Damien should get the death penalty. No one ever went over with me what I knew about Damien, his life, and all the troubles he had. If anyone had asked me, then I would have told them what I am saying now.

20. I got married one more time to a woman named Anita. We lived together for a year or so before we got married because I did not want to get into another marriage until I was sure that it was going to work out. However, even though we lived together we ended up getting divorced anyway. Last year, I had to quit roofing. I had been a roofer for around 25 years and it was getting to hard for me. Roofing is a young man's job. It gets so hot and it is backbreaking work and my body could not handle it anymore.

21. I had planned on retiring a few years ago and thought I could because I had my trailer paid off. But about five years ago, it burned down. That was really hard for me but, since I was still roofing, I was lucky enough to be able to put a couple of older trailers together to where they made one whole trailer. About a year ago, I came home to see that trailer on fire also. By the time the fire ended, the only thing I had were the work clothes that I was wearing. Everything that I owned burned to the ground. I did not have a dime of insurance either time that my trailers burned. I think about Damien a lot and hope that he is able to survive where he is at.

Under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States and the State of Arkansas, I swear that the foregoing is true and correct and executed this 4 day of September, 2000 in the County of Crittenden.

Andy Jack Echols (signature)
ANDY JACK ECHOLS


Sounds really normal too me.

[GODDESS6]

^^^'splain it away lucy ~ jesus you give even my dog a headache~

Or if you learned how to read you'd see it for yourself.

see that is the difference between you & i~ i have actually read up on the case, i truly don't believe you have, or you wouldn't be making the claims that you do~ you are very repetitious & naive, which has been pointed out several times~

*YAWN*

[kerriew]

Your rant on the psychological make up of Damien Echols is rubbish. You know nothing. I have 2 teenage children and never have I heard them nor their friend's threaten the life of anyone. And no I have never heard the phrase eat you alive in the way you explained it.
You forgot to mention when he licked the blood, Rosie, he was becoming a supreme being (delusions of grandeur, typical in schizoprhrenia, narcissistic, antisocial and hystrionic personality disorders) wanting to sacrifice his first born, his mood swings from laughing to crying, wearing a trench coat in 90 degree weather, drug use, criminal history, manipulating behavior.
He was anything but a typical teen. Jesus Christ I can't people who claim to have read the 500 actually can say he was a typical teen. WTF? He was and still is a very sick and twisted individual.

"Would you like more? I mean, it's an extensive document.
I admit that there is a lot of factual stuff, but there is also a lot of allegations, exaggerations, and misinterpretations."

Bring it on Asshole so I can tear your ass up. Because unlike you, I am well trained in psychology.

[flexj]

Looks like if she ever gets on with her career, she will be right up there with Mara and Stephanie

[cewatson]

^^^'splain it away lucy ~ jesus you give even my dog a headache~

Or if you learned how to read you'd see it for yourself.

see that is the difference between you & i~ i have actually read up on the case, i truly don't believe you have, or you wouldn't be making the claims that you do~ you are very repetitious & naive, which has been pointed out several times~

*YAWN*

You see it how you want to see it.
I have read up on the case.
I'm repetitious? Everyone on this fucking board is repetitious, you moron. It's called sticking to your opinions.

you are very repetitious & naive, which has been pointed out several times~

I know you don't realize how dumb you sound, but wow.

And kerrie ... who gives a shit about your 2 teenage children? They don't represent the entire teenage population. Also, is your psychological training from some online school like our famous Satanist expert?

EVERYONE knows he has mental problems. Even the supporters. So your argument is severely invalid and in no way is convincing. Doesn't make him a killer. And yes, he admitted to dabbling in drugs, but passed his drug test with flying colors.

Sick and twisted isn't automatic guilt.

You're going to tear my ass up? HAHAHAHAHA. You're such a joke. Not as much of a joke as flexj ... he's so eager to write some idiotic and insulting statement it's hard to keep up. Get a life.

[kerriew]

"And kerrie ... who gives a shit about your 2 teenage children?"

Bitch you better watch your fucking mouth about my kids. Douchbag. And you just said Damien was a typical teenager. You must be related to Jessie. Fucking retard.

[GODDESS6]

  omg, ce. back & forth, back & forth~ damien is a typical teenager & then now he's not~ you spin him whichever way you can to suit your bullshit~ again, you can't have it both ways, that is NOT STICKING TO YOUR OPINIONS~ that is twisting shit to go your way~ you talk out of both sides of your anatomy~ that isn't a talent i'd brag about~

[Rudder]

Doesn't make him a killer.

Sick and twisted isn't automatic guilt.

Because you can relate to this scumbag doesn't mean he's innocent either. Stupid, STUPID, reasoning, Courtney. No one is saying his mental problems make him a murderer, the fact that he murdered three children makes him a murderer, ya fucking asshat. The mental history is just an indicator that was freaking ignored repeatedly until it cost three children their lives.